usahog
Thursday, April 6, 2006 10:19:00 AM
I did catch that episode of Meet the Depressed TeeDub!

actually Fox News did a follow-up on it and I googled it to get the whole scoop on the issue...

surrounding himself with the inner circle folks..

Hog

Homebrew
Thursday, April 6, 2006 10:30:00 AM
Uh Oh,

I just did a little research, and now I am even less sure of McCain. Looks like he has sold out.

Oh well!! Maybe I will have to vote for a Dem. Damn Neocons, They are fiscal Liberals, trying to pretend to be fiscal conservatives, but are really facist, with a fiscally liberal twist.

What happened to the fiscally conservative "Contract with America??" They have twisted it into a contract on America.

Dave (A.K.A. Homebrew)

usahog
Thursday, April 6, 2006 10:38:00 AM
I'm still waiting on Tey's knowledge on Obama??

Hog

btw Tey if it's any help, (If) Obama was to run and drop Hillary off of this one.. I'd vote for him!

now what is your take on him? hows he the man?

Hog

usahog
Thursday, April 6, 2006 11:04:00 AM
Tey, Your Man Barak Obama

Coming to America

Thursday, December 15, 2005

By Barack Obama and Mel Martinez

Like millions of Americans, the immigrant story is our story. We understand the allure of freedom and opportunity in the U.S. From this very personal vantage point, and because millions of immigrants live and work in Illinois and Florida, we take a special interest in the current debate on the reform of our immigration policies.

When Congress last addressed this issue comprehensively in 1986, there were approximately four million illegal immigrants living here. Today, it is estimated there are more than 11 million. We are a generous and welcoming people, but those who enter our country illegally, and those who employ them, disrespect the rule of law. And because we live in an age where terrorists are challenging our borders, we simply cannot allow people to pour into the U.S. undetected, undocumented and unchecked. Americans are right to demand better border security and better enforcement of the immigration laws.

To begin with, the agencies charged with border security require new technology, new facilities and more people to stop, process and deport illegal immigrants. But while security might start at our borders, it doesn't end there. Millions of illegal immigrants live and work here without our knowing their identity or background. That's why we need a guest-worker program to replace the flood of illegals with a regulated stream of legals who enter the U.S. after checks and with access to labor rights. This would enhance our security, raise wages and improve working conditions for all Americans.

American employers also need to take responsibility. Too often illegal immigrants are lured here with the promise of a job, only to receive unconscionably low wages. In the interest of cheap labor, unscrupulous employers look the other way when employees provide fraudulent U.S. citizenship documents. These acts hurt both American workers and immigrants whose sole aim is to work hard and get ahead. That's why we need a simple, foolproof and mandatory mechanism for all employers to check the legal status of new hires.

If we hope to bring the 11 million undocumented immigrants out into the open, we must give them a reason. This means granting them an interim legal status to work with the opportunity to eventually earn citizenship. We can do this, without amnesty, by imposing a hefty fine for having illegally entered our country, and by forcing the undocumented to go to the back of the line in their pursuit of citizenship. The interim status should only apply to those already here, so as not to open the door for others.

We simply cannot claim to have dealt with the problems of illegal immigration if we ignore the illegal resident population or pretend that they will leave voluntarily. Some of the proposed ideas in Congress provide a temporary legal status and call for deportation, but fail to answer how the government would deport 11 million people. If temporary legal status is granted but the policy says these immigrants are never good enough to become Americans, then the policy makes little sense.

We believe successful, comprehensive immigration reform can be achieved by combining the strongest elements of Chuck Hagel's border-security proposals with the realistic workplace and earned-citizenship program proposed by John McCain and Ted Kennedy. We will work on both sides of the aisle to ensure that both are incorporated into the reform process, and we welcome new voices and new ideas in the debate.

As FDR reminded the nation at the 50th anniversary of the dedication of the Statue of Liberty, those who landed at Ellis Island "were the men and women who had the supreme courage to strike out for themselves, to abandon language and relatives, to start at the bottom without influence, without money, and without knowledge of life in a very young civilization." Today's immigrants seek to follow in that tradition. We do ourselves and them a disservice if we do not recognize the contributions of these individuals. And we fail to protect our children if we do not regain control over our immigration system immediately.

teedubbya
Thursday, April 6, 2006 11:19:00 AM
Sorry Homebrew.

Not drawing conclusions, but it sure looked that way to me last weekend.

Homebrew
Thursday, April 6, 2006 11:35:00 AM
Hey Teedubya,

Thanks bro. I appreciate the eye opener.

Hog, thanks for the article. This Obama, seems to have a grasp on this issue. I have also followed his stance on ethics reform, and approve of his plan, over the ones currently being debated. He seems to honestly clean up DC, which is why he will never get the nomination, from the Dems. They need someone who will keep the status quo, as do the republicans.

Dave (A.K.A. Homebrew)

RICKAMAVEN
Thursday, April 6, 2006 12:04:00 PM
usahog

re 19

tey means the obvious, the country won't accept a black man as president.

even charlie couldn't accept what tey said even though he said the same thing. "Some of us Repubicans are hoping to have Amercia "ready" to accept Condi Rice"

the country isn't "ready" for obama or condi.

powell ate to much crap from the administration to be a viable candidate. he needs to go fishing, that fat lady has sing sang sung.

why obama? becdause he talked nice at the convention. i agree, what has he done. i will look up his voting record as everyone should.

i said before i would have voted for a chicken instead of the rooster we got. i believe the rooster is also refered to as a ****, isn't it. well we ssort of elected that sucker.

mccain has been doing all along, what hilary clinton has been doing lately, reading the polls and becoming what will be the most acceptable to the voters.

at this moment in time, i would vote for mccaain as i would have before the republicans pulled that BS that killed him in the primaries, making him inelligible for my vote. that left me no choice but to vote against the aformentioned ****.

RICKAMAVEN
Thursday, April 6, 2006 12:10:00 PM
Homebrew

re 22

"the contract with america" i have tried unsuccesfully to find out the district newt represented and i can't.

my point, and i'll guess very high, is that newt had 500,000 votes in his district.

if that is the case, how did this sex predator and generally **** heel multiple divorcee, come to have so much influence over the country?

and why is he still around on the tv circuit.

usahog
Thursday, April 6, 2006 12:21:00 PM
"why obama? becdause he talked nice at the convention. i agree, what has he done. i will look up his voting record as everyone should."

Rick right there is what I was looking for out of all of this...

anyone can feed you until you feel full and owe them for the dinner with Favortism.. but before anyone goes to the polls for this one or that one.. they should see their track record.. not catch their 30 second commercial on how they'll grease you up...

Hog

BTW I like Obama's track record so far!

Homebrew
Thursday, April 6, 2006 12:48:00 PM
Hey Russell,

If somehow a Obama President, and H Clinton V.P. ticket ended up in the whitehouse. We know Obama would have some good assassination insurance, in a VP. LOL

Dave (A.K.A. Homebrew)

errasa
Thursday, April 6, 2006 2:41:00 PM
As a consevative, Tom Tancredo deserves a look.
soundsgood
Friday, April 7, 2006 12:48:00 AM
Is she morphing into a man or is it me>

The guy is cuter than her, and he is Fugly.

chimball
Friday, April 7, 2006 1:49:00 AM
Lmfao