multiple personality disorder, no I don't. I'm not afraid to be who I am and not afraid to think for myself instead of towing the party line. Try it sometime, you might like it...

interesting that you know the link and the acronym though, maybe you're afflicted...

As I said - I'm a Hunter, Fisherman, Gun Owner, Lover of the USA, Atheist, INDEPENDENT thinking and voting Coloradoan living in California. This means I'm not a "liberal", try reading...

Heh, www.google.com
Isn’t the Internet great?

Put your dukes down! We’re a lot alike. I’m a gun owner, but I don’t hunt. I don’t begrudge anyone their right to though. I can’t even watch a damn show when a lion kills a zebra without turning my head. But I would gladly shoot someone in the face if I found them in my house and they weren’t supposed to be there… Cigar smoker, Independent (as long as they’re GOP candidates), I’d vote Libertarian but I don’t think they can win.

Sounds like the big difference is, I’m all about blowing away terrorists and others are reluctant or “feel bad” about it. I have no reservations. Kill um all and let God sort it out...

I've had to wake both my brother and my grandfather up from nightmares where they relive their pasts. My brother for shooting a kid who pulled a gun on him and my grandfather who was in WWII and helped free some of the camps, and in the process shot many germans. Never once were they happy about those parts of their memories, or the nightmares they cause. That's where I'm coming from...

My Dad just turned 79. He's failing now, but it was strong once. He lied about his age when he was 16 (yes 16) to join the Army to fight in WWII. He has 2 puple hearts. Was on the beach at Anzio, fought in North Africa against Romell. Was a tank commander and had 5 different tanks "destroyed". In several cases, he was the only survivor... I know war is hell, but it's a necessary evil sometimes. If you want to make an omlette, you have to break a few eggs, or in this case heads.

I agree it's a necessary evil of war, no question about it. The only part I question is celebrating it. I'm sure your father isn't happy he killed people, being happy that his killing saved himself or his buddies is understandable and quite different.

Cwil, On a side note I want to ask a question I already know the answer to; have you ever been happy because you took someone’s life, other than the case that you're happy because it was you or them, and you survived? If you already know the Answer then Why ask?? Why open wounds you nor anyone can fill??

let me ask you this... have you ever been in a position where you watched a loved one Die at the hands of someone else? or not even a Loved one just a close friend or even a friend of a friend??
Or do you just catch news clips and listen to your Dad and Brother talk about there event's and draw your Conclusions from there Griefs???

I can tell you this... I don't Celebrate Death on anyone's part... But I Do Believe in God and he is a Strong Witness for me to carry on Day in and Day out...
and I Believe he will be there for me in my last Breaths!!!

Hog

That's what I figured Hog, sorry to open the wounds that was not my intent, but I apologize!! I was just horrified at how Robby had been gleeful at watching those people die.

Thankfully, I've never had to take someone's life, or personally witness a friend or family member die. But I have volunteered at a Veteran's hospitals, helped my brother with his grief, and discussed WWII at great lengths with my grandfather, that's what I draw my conclusions on the subject from.

Sorry again!

Kill um all and let God sort it out. Ooo Rah! If we don't get tough with those ba$tards, we're going to end up like Israel. How would you like to flip on the news in the eve and hear about "another suicide bomber" taking out themselves and a bus load of innocent people? Would you have compassion for the guy? Would you shed bitter tears if he and his terrorist brethren were "taken care of" in advance? We can hold hands and sing and put flowers in M16 barrels all we want. We can quote poetry and pontificate about humanity, and right and wrong, etc... But the bottom line is, we need Predators overhead taking out certain individuals and groups of individuals BEFORE they have the chance to act. The whole argument of the smoking gun is that (Sam Kinison voice) IT'S SMOKING!! WHY IN THE .... DO YOU THINK IT'S SMOKING? AAA AAAA HAAAAA (Sam Kinnison voice off) Here's a hint, not because it just had a good time with the howitzer across the hall...

Cwil,
let me ask you something and then I will comment on my feelings at the time..

on Sept 11th 2001 at 9:20 am how did you feel??

and then again at 11:00 am how did you feel??

and then again later that evening when you were home with your Family Members and Glued to the TV as to see what else was happening?? How did you feel?

and yes I will answer this back also... but what emotions went through your mind and body???

Hog

9:20 fear, disbelief - I thought it couldn't have really happened, I started trying to reach my family and friends in NY to make sure they were OK, I wasn't able to confirm all of them until the next day, I got lucky that none of my friends or family had died.

11:00 fear, disbelief, horror - I saw the people escaping the flames by jumping to their death and then seeing the buildings collapse was the most gut wrenching experience of my life.

Later fear, disbelief, horror, anger, worry - I was worried that we were going to drop a nuke on Afghanistan or act in some other brash way, I was very impressed with how controlled and calculating GWB was with his response. Guiliani was a great source of strength on that day.

And you

Robby, I understand and agree that we must kill people to prevent further atrocities, that doesn't mean I have to be happy about it! Why can't you understand the difference?

Heh, the fact that you're not happy about it doesn't bother me, why does the fact that I am bother you?

I have in fact been in combat. I have in fact had contact with the enemy on numerous occasion. I have in fact had it with an enemy that I deserved to be burned alive for what they had done to innocent people. Although most of my thoughts in the matter are purely surgical, a small part of me hoped they would feel every square inch of the agony and suffering they put their victims through. I can and will not agree that taking a life is always and at every point a difficult and/ or self-hating act. I sleep just fine at night and if I ever have a recalled memory of a situation, it is usually because I am thinking about my Team and its own welfare. I am also not some uneducated ignorant 18 year old who has tried to "Get some" because it would make his Daddy proud. I am from the NY metro area and have been well educated in various Universities as well as having been in Special Operations for 5 years. I do not believe in racism or cultural discrimination. Everyone is entitled to their own way of life AS LONG AS IT DOES NOT HARM ANYONE ELSE. If you would like to prey to the Moon for 23 hours a day and eat yogurt for the 24th hour, go right ahead, I do not care. If every last terrorist had their skin peeled, I would not blink twice nor would I care about their welfare. If you do legitimate wrong, you deserve legitimate wrong.

For the people who can not separate culture and agenda from people of Middle eastern descent, you have a long way to go before you could consider yourselves truely American. Being American is to be able to live with other cultures as well as your own. It is sad how some think that most or all of them shoud pay for the acts of the few. But I will say that those few should pay with more than their and their family's lives.

Having been in a situation where the enemy is a group of actual evil do-ers, it brought me a sense of calm and relief that they would end up dead by my and my Team's hand. If you saw the attrocities committed by these people, I doubt that you would feel bad about the fate they had earned.

These terrorists are no different. They do not deserve to live. They do not deserve to be able to breathe while breeding such hate toward a generally benign people. They do not deserve to be allowed to die in their own and mostly painless fashions they choose. They should not be allowed to propogate their mostly ignorant and hateful ideas to a younger generation.

Knowing these things, I would absolutely not hesitate, nor feel ANY sort of pain and/ or remorse while taking their life or lives. Period. Some people need to be killed. Period. It is a sad reality bt it IS reality at that. It is also sad that these people actually need to be killed in order to better humanity. I see this as a method of shedding unavoidable ignorance and hate from this earth. Until this world has a legitimate method of PEACEFULLY keeping peace, war is inevitable and necessary. I heard a funny yet dead accurate saying once:

"Fighting for peace is like F*cking for virginity"

I think that even the finest of "Tree Huggers" will agree: Aggressive acts are part of human nature and will NEVER be rid from this planet, therefore peacekeepers will need to exist. The only way a peacekeeper has final authority or final say is by show of force. Some people are willing to test that force to see if it is real and can be bypassed. This event is called war. Very sad indeed.

daveyg2

well said.