a much more appropriate name for this ghost town...

I have not been bored with your posts and I hope you have not been bored with mine. Rick

Nope, not you Rick. Just the lack of activity in general. Banter is much more fun with lots of action.

Perhaps you should start a post about the value of woman vs the value of a good cigar. If that doesn't work, try using words like c*&t and B*&*@h. If that doesn't work, there are always the anti-smoking groups and the women's libers groups have done more to emasculate the American male. If that doesn't work try this "Bush, the accidental President, is a complete moron who couldn't find water if he fell out of a boat. What about Clinton has done more for the American working family than any President in history and has shown a way to spice up sex in marriage. And there is always, Reagan had Alzheimers during his last four years and Nancy really ran the country. If you can't provoke response with any of these, go back to the cigar board and discuss the merits of Dominican vs Cuban cigars.

Not a bad start, but there are no women libers on this page. They don't smoke anything...

With my silver tongue, I am sure I could persude any of these so called womens libers to smoke mine...failing that I would convince them to let me put something warm inside them...a good meal of course...LOL

This isn't going to be as much fun with everybody trying to get along but here goes.Rick What you should have said is that American working families have done more for Bill Clinton than any President in history.Bill Clinton has only shown that oral sex is not really sex at all and that commitment to marriage is only for you know those people with morals and good judgement.This from the most ethical administration in history.Give me a break.Ronald Reagan on his worst day is 10 times the man Bill Clinton or Al Gore could ever hope to be.Oh **** did I just call Slick Willey and Al Whore men sorry I don't know what got in to me.

OK Let's have some fun. Before Reagan was selected by the republican party to be their leader he had to have a meeting with the party leaders to tone down his so far right leanings, that he never would have been accepted. I believe the book was called "The End of Calif" or something like that. Remember he ratted out his friends, the so called communists when he was at the McCarthy hearings run by a man who was a drunk and so foul, they finally got rid of him. First thing Reagan, the so called union man, did was bust a union. Following directions by whoever led him, he deregulated the savings and loans causing a lot of old people to lose their life savings at a time in their lives when it was too late to recover. He threw the mentally ill into the streets causing this massive group of homeless people and making Grand Central Station in New York to look like Calcuta. He said ketchup was a vegetable. If you watch scenes of him walking with Nancy, a mother disowned by her children (read the biography by the youngest daughter) you will see her giving him the answers to questions shouted out by reporters. His speeches were so confusing, he was using lines from movies. "Mr Gorbechev, tear down these walls" was a short stage play. Make believe you don't know anything about him and read all the negative books written about him. Then bring them together with your original good feelings about him and see if some different light goes on. Now let's go to John Wayne. The American hero who never fought for his country except in the movies and who taught generations to hate the "redskins" and the "yellow japs". A wonderful example of prejudice, for which he got some hero medal by the government. I could go on, but this should raise some hackles.

A.J. You are right on point. "A woman is only a woman, but a good cigar is a smoke" Rudyard Kipling

Sorry Rick,I still say Reagan is 10 Times the man Bill or Al could ever hope to be.Even on his worst day :O).Now as far as John Wayne movies I've seen them all and I'm a far cry from being predjudiced by them.Say,your not one of those crack pots that think movies and music are responsible for people that do evil things are you?Lets try getting back to personal responsabilty for your actions.Put these Punks away and quit punishing law abiding citizens with more laws that only restrict freedom.

Bravo, JJ. Bravo! Listen to him, Rick. Common Sense and Responsibility: Two items missing from the liberal democratic agenda...

Democratic Liberal agenda my rear end. It is a cliche. Every group has a lot of agends. I am not talking about adults being influenced by shot um ups, I am talking about kids who went to the movies in the 40's and saw john shoot the evil indians. What kid ever wanted to be the indian playing cowboys and indians? What kid was taught anything about the hardships the native americans suffered? The kids were taught to look down on a group of people. I am a crack pot. Why did kids all want pokeman, and before that there was an elmo, and before that adults spent $5.00 for a rock, and before that and before that. The constant repitition of how desireable these things are and the need to have one to be part of the group is what advertisement is all about. We don't smoke cigars to be accepted, and we would want to smoke cigars if no one ever recognized how much smarter than most people we are. See enough indians shot because they will scalp you, (started incidently by the whites), they will rape your woman, and torture you for no reason, and a child has been influenced. Remember the words of a church elder, "Give me your kids until they are 6, and I will own them for life." Of course you need to seperate from the rest of us, the people that will do harm, the criminal. You might also throw some of the tobacco execs in jail for lying about cigarettes, and some of the car manufacturers who hide and hid defects in the cars. Do you remeber the car about ten years ago that used to jump into gear and accelerate. What happened to the execs who knew all about the problem and hid it from the national safety board. Hell yes personal responsibility, but not just for you and me. Besides JJ wanted some heat on this board.

Do you guy's genuinely think that you have something close to politics on your side of the pond?...All you have is people that enjoy flags being waved at them...GOD help us if they have got their finger on the button!

"The need to have one to be part of the group is what advertisement is all about."No sir,the need to have everyone to be part of the group is what the Democratic Liberal Agenda,your "rear end" and the socialist public education system is all about.On Movies:you can take whatever you choose to from a movie,if you choose to take away hatred,bigotry and the like that would be your personal decision.I don't know about kids in the forties,but what I believe most kids in the 60's got from JW movies,was a Love for our country,personal responsibility,the concept of honor and dignity and to do the right thing no matter what the cost.Come to think of it thats pretty much what they were teaching us in school in those days also.Enter the Liberalism of the Mid 70's-80's and about all they are being taught is to be good little citizens the Government will take care of you.Independent thought is a relic of the past.Hell I used to be a liberal myself to some extent but then I saw what it was all about.here is a quote in John Wayne's own words that I think pretty much somes it up."I HAVE FOUND a certain type calls himself a liberal . . .Now I always thought I was a liberal. I came up terribly surprised one time when I found out that I was a right-wing, conservative extremist, when I listened to everybody's point of view that I ever met, and then decided how I should feel. But this so-called new liberal group, Jesus, they never listen to your point of view." John Wayne.More Later:Jim

AJ,God help you if you ever need to go to war again :O)
Sorry buddy sure hope you can take a joke.Can you say Sig Heil.(sp)

Remember the words of a church elder, "Give me your kids until they are 6, and I will own them for life."
Ricky whose church elder was this?Again,it pretty much sounds like the liberal mantra of the public school system.

Poor old JJ you really have lost it haven't you?...Sorry to remind you boys, but until Pearl Harbour all you guys were interested in was making a fast buck from Europe(mainly us!)...If you want to ask the question of who really helped US win the war then look no further than the state you tend to hate and downcry...yes youv'e guessed it the RUSSIANS...they were there from DAY 1!!!... not when "OOPS weve been bombed",lets do something about it"...only then did you wake up to the realities of what what was happening
Yes did you have the firepower, but also, yes did you get the interest repayments...don't patronise me and my for fathers by thinking that by JOINING the right side you did anything more than what you should have done in 1939...makes you cringe dosn't it?

I agree with Rickmeister, it's the Republican's who applaud commercialism and are telling our children that it's ok to hate the Democrat's and their 'God forbid' liberal views on clean air, cleaning up the enviroment and stopping the use of bigotry like wielding a gun. If it were up to 'Conservative Repub's, our sky's would be black, the forests would be empty parking lots and we'd be boiling our drinking water. Are liberal views such a nasty word anymore or would you like to go back to the way things were? Liberals are responsible for more good then you give them credit for.

I thank you all. Agree, disagree, not as important as the open forum to air all of our biased, self serving ideas. We are not supposed to agree. If we did, we would still be living in caves and trying to make fire.
There was no vulgarity, no name calling, no nasty posts. We must get together after the playoffs, light up, have a drink or cappacciano, and chat again. Cigar smokers are the elite of the world!!!!!!!!

"I HAVE FOUND a certain type calls himself a liberal . . .Now I always thought I was a liberal. I came up terribly surprised one time when I found out that I was a right-wing, conservative extremist, when I listened to everybody's point of view that I ever met, and then decided how I should feel. But this so-called new liberal group, Jesus, they never listen to your point of view." John Wayne.More Later:Jim