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22 years ago
AMEN!!

If you look closely at the picture above, you will note that all the Marines pictured are bowing their heads. That's because they're praying.

The incident took place at a recent ceremony honoring the birthday of the corps, and it has the ACLU up in arms. "These are federal employees," says Lucius Traveler, a spokesman for the ACLU, "on federal property and on federal time. For them to pray is clearly an establishment of religion,
and we must nip this in the bud immediately."

When asked about the ACLU's charges, Colonel Jack Fessender, speaking for the Commandant of the Corps said (cleaned up a bit), "Screw the ACLU."

Enjoy
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xibbumbero
22 years ago
Whereas I think the ACLU is good,sometimes they go too far,as in the case. X
Secret_Agent_Man
22 years ago

The ACLU is a rabid pack of troublemakers, in my opinion...

(__{SAM}_____]]]]~~
stapletonj
22 years ago
Isn't one of the oldest mottos in
military history that

"There are no atheists in foxholes" ?

Messier11
22 years ago
OK, 4th and 5th from the left, first row. NOT bowing their heads. Maybe NOT praying?? Their choice, guaranteed by the Constitution. Same Corp, same country. Let's take a week off from all of the negativity that seems to be spreading from the Misc. Board (which I seldom read anymore because of it). I know my choice too. Happy holidays to all BOTL & SOTL.
65gtoman
22 years ago
The American Civil Liberties Union is closely affiliated with the communist movement in the United States, and fully 90% of its efforts are on behalf of Communists who have come into conflict with the law. It claims to stand for free speech, free press, and free assembly; but it is quite apparent that the main function of the ACLU is to attempt to protect the communists in their advocacy of force and violence to overthrow the Government




Anarchist Roger Baldwin founded the ACLU in 1919, after his release from prison where he served a sentence for draft evasion, at a party attended by Socialist Party notable Norman Thomas, future Communist Party chairman Elizabeth Gurley Flynn, and Soviet agent Agnes Smedley. In 1920, Rev. Harry Ward, the Red Dean of the Union Theological Seminary was Chairman, Baldwin was director, and Communist publisher Louis Budenz, who would later go on to testify against Communism, director of publicity. Other Communist and radical founders included William Z. Foster, author of "Toward Soviet America", Harold J. Laski, Morris Hilquit, A.J.Muste, Scott Nearing, Eugene V. Debs, and John Dewey. The 1930's membership would include such radicals and change agents as Vito Marcantonio, Haywood Broun, Corliss Lamont, and Bishop G. Bromley Oxnan. The 1940's roll would include George S. Counts, Norman Cousins, Melvyn Douglas, Robert M. Hutchins, and Freda Kirchwey. Most prominent American luminaries of the left were, and are, members of the ACLU.

65gtoman
22 years ago
Communist Party USA website members (aclu founder listed)

http://www.cpusa.org/article/static/511#question12 
dz130
22 years ago
It takes one helluva strong and secure country to be able to allow people to speak of ways to destroy that very place they live. Ironic, isn't it?
Secret_Agent_Man
22 years ago
Messier11

"OK, 4th and 5th from the left, first row. NOT bowing their heads. Maybe NOT praying??"

Messier, what do you think they are doing? In a group that large, a few at any moment may not be bowing for a number of reasons. There are about 65 guys in this pic. You noticed 2.

2 vs 63, and the 2 you know NOTHING about. Do you think that 2 should dictate what the rest are doing? I don't!

Happy Holiday Season to you too. Just my opinion...


(__{SAM}_____]]]]~~
65gtoman
22 years ago
The aclu is un-American
aclu apologists are un-American


There is a large group of un-Americans in this country, and the red diaper doper babies are all grown up.


How many have fallen for their brain candy.












jdrabinski
22 years ago
What justification is there for a federal institution to establish a one-religion prayer? I'd love to hear a rational account of that.

65igotaman, you aren't serious, are you? With these Red Scare posts? What hilarity? But a serious question: do you think the communist party has a right to exist here in the U.S. or not?
Danielg
22 years ago
65gtoman,
Right on, and Right on USAHOG! And just like SAM said, I follow suit to JDR since when does a democratic society say the voice of the "2" have domain over the voice of the "63"?
God Bless America, if you don't like it leave it! But oh wait?! You couldn't buy your cigars in Russia or China if you didn't have the correct card from the government that ALLOWED you to buy them. And oh yeah, if you bought them in the middle east you'd probably be killed for offending Allah's will. Oh but you could go to france and buy them there, and pray they don't give up ship to the traveling gypsies.

Happy Holidays here in America!
jdrabinski
22 years ago
Danielg,

Aside from your stupid remarks about other countries (did you know that Russia is no longer communist?), it is important that the rights of 2 hold sway in the face of the 63. Why? Because that is the nature of rights. They hold no matter what. Free speech, for example, is there for all, even if the speech rubs a whole society the wrong way. Rights are absolute and not contingent upon the will of the people.

If you don't like that, then leave the U.S.A. yourself. That idea of rights is the foundation of this country. Don't like it? Leave.
billyjackson
22 years ago
In defense(?) of Messier...

1) He speculated that those he notices "Maybe" were not praying...
2) It didn't sound like he was advocating for the speculated opinions of 2 or 3 to govern the others...he just said they had the constitutional right to do whatever they seemed to be doing.
3) I may be misinterpreting Messier's intent and tone, but it sound like he was just saying no matter if the ACLU throws a fit, the individual has the right (and responsibility?) in this situation to act upon his/her conscious and this right/responsibility doesn't need the ACLU nor the people who throw a fit about them in order to exercise that right/responsibility.

Maybe I misread Messier...and if I did, I apologize. Perhaps I read my own opinions into his post. But of course, if I'd posted my opinions, they'd look more like..........

Sweet Bleeding Jesus!!!! If it's not one thing it's another. Nothing but bitching from some people. Yes, the ACLU is wacko most of the time. But the bitching that is done about them is just as bad and stupid sounding as what they bitch about. On the one hand, yes...all opinions "matter" and you have the freedom to voice your opinions and take action (AS DOES THE ACLU). On the other hand, why the hell do people think that just because they can throw a bitch fit about another, less popular group that they have some moral superiority and monopoly on righteousness?

No, I don't want the visions of the ACLU to run rampant over America...but I don't want the "Proud-American-I-Served-My-Country-So-You-Have-To-Respect-And-Believe-Whatever-I-Say-About-What's-Good-For-America-folks-that-think-they-are-better-Americans-because-their-exercise-of-free-speech/thought/etc.-is-more-palatable-to-the-masses-than-those-they-try-to-silence" to strangle the very liberties their precious Constitution protects.

But of course, you can totally disregard my opinion because I don't go off on the ACLU for being communist (Jesus!!).
Charlie
22 years ago
Professor John defending the ACLU all the way! How do you feel about NAMBLA? Just curious.

Happy Holidays

C
Charlie
22 years ago
Oh and screw the ACLU!

Charlie
Sonny_LSU
22 years ago
jbra, why do you insist on taking jabs at these guys? You, in your infinite wisdom, should know that you will NEVER change their minds......I love reading your posts in which you try to flex your "academic muscle".

I find liberal arts professors some of the most socially insignificant people on earth.
jdrabinski
22 years ago
Have you ever thought of just responding to my points? Also, have you not read between the lines and figured out that John hasn't posted here in many, many months? LOL!

So, Sonny...do you propose that we abolish the liberal arts from universities and colleges? Start a thread where you argue for that. I'm curious to see how you justify it.

What do you do as a profession?
jdrabinski
22 years ago
Charlie, read between the lines already! I've cracked up for months as you guys attack 'the professor.' LOL!

The ACLU is not NAMBLA, so you'd be making WHAT point? If you mean that the ACLU defended a member of NAMBLA on free-speech grounds, then you'd mistake a legal defense for an endorsement of ideas. Otherwise, you'd have to say that the ACLU are neo-Nazis, as they've defended those folks in court too...then again, that might get 65gtoman on board. LOL!
jdrabinski
22 years ago
"Proud-American-I-Served-My-Country-So-You-Have-To-Respect-And-Believe-Whatever-I-Say-About-What's-Good-For-America-folks-that-think-they-are-better-Americans-because-their-exercise-of-free-speech/thought/etc.-is-more-palatable-to-the-masses-than-those-they-try-to-silence"

That is friggin' hilarious and brilliant. Nice construction!
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