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22 years ago


War Has Never Solved Anything...
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DrMaddVibe
22 years ago
"I shall return" - Gen. Douglas MacArthur in regards to the liberation of the Philippine Islands. We did and they've known free elections. In light of what has been given to them as a nation, you'd think that they'd honor their commitment. How soon people forget.
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22 years ago
I'm all for pacifism, if we could afford it. Throughout history, pacifism gets you 2 things. Dead, or subjecated.
RICKAMAVEN
22 years ago
i must take exception to slavery and communism being eliminated by war. russia imploded and slavery was abolished through political means.

the civil war was not fought over slaves, it was fought over taxes.

i mention this in case you don't know.
Charlie
22 years ago
Taxes was the main thrust of the civil war, but slavery was indeed part of the reasons for the fight!

Charlie
CWFoster
22 years ago
RICKAMAVEN is right! if slavery was any significant motive for the war, why was it half over before they got around to freeing them?

I AM sure however that the city fathers of Carthage will be overjoyed to hear that it's not settled!
adroomi
22 years ago
....since when is slavery abolished? At this moment in time there are over 27 million people on this great planet of ours that are tied into the binds of slavery...a new high for a new millenium. Don't believe that? Go ask one of the 12 year olds in Brazil that are cutting down your precious rain forests to make your charcoal briquettes for your summer barbeques. Or how about the Laotians making your silk ties? Oh wait, we forgot about the Pakistani kids making your rugs. The list goes on.....we could literally start bombing about 32 different countries right now, and then we'd really be some heros! Political pressure is not needed, only bombs and dead military folks.

WWI was fought in the 20th C and quite a few historians (and other people) think that that war, plus the treaties (if that's the right term) that ended it, were a major factor in creating the conditions that led to WWII. I don't see that as a positive accomplishment, do you?

I agree wars may accomplish "something"--for instance medicine often takes a huge leap forward--new surgeries are tried out (the troops aren't in a position to complain or sue) because all those new weapons that get tried out and created do all sorts of interestingly horrible things to human bodies. I've seen this up close and personal. New procedures are developed to try to cope with the huge number of complex injuries. Had the Vietnam War not happened, who who knows how long it might've taken the APA to get around to accepting the existence of what's now known as Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. And just think of the opportunities created by Bush's pre-emptive invasion for the prosthetics industry! And neurologists and other MDs may learn alot from working with the huge number of US amputees produced. Assuming the Bushies aren't successful in cutting funding for medical care for vets and the active military.

But perhaps you should talk to the amputees, the families of the dead and wounded in the US, UK, Australia, Iraq, et al, to find out if they think ego gratification for Bush and the neocons was sufficient cause to lose those lives, those previously whole bodies. Ask all the adults and children in this country (and others) who will not have food, decent infrastructure, cleanish air and water, trees, etc., because Bush and Congress seem to have decided it's more important to invade and occupy Iraq and give taxcuts to the wealthy then use taxdollars to renew the infrastructure of this nation and help younger generations learn, etc. I guess you could argue that Bush's invasion "accomplished" the removal of Hussein from Iraq. Was that the only way to do so? 122 billion tax dollars and counting would've bought the time and effort of a lot of assassins who probably could've "accomplished that goal" without the loss of life, limb loss, destruction of infrastructure, trauma, subsidization of large corporations via US taxdollars, more incidents of graft and corruption that Bush's "war" has "accomplished." And then, the Bushies claimed we were going to "accomplish" several other goals that have since been shown to never have existed to accomplish. Notably, Bush's pre-emptive invasion has not "made us (the US, the world) safer" as Bush, et al, claimed it would. It did, however, pull much needed skills and resources away from Aghanistan and contribute to the growing of one of the largest crops of opium poppies ever in Afghanistan (that's where I come into the picture by the way).

A more useful question to ask is: does war accomplish anything useful/productive that could not be accomplished by other, less violent, less destructive means? Even if it took longer?

To come up with answers to that question, you do have to define what you consider to be productive and useful. For example, if you are an arms dealer, then there aren't many "productive and useful" replacements for war (unless you include the Cold War in your definition of war). If you are an important drug dealer, you might think that Afghanistan's huge opium crop is a great thing (although it might lead to a drop in price, not good, I guess). I guess you'd also have to define 'war.'

In regards to communism, who really cares if it is abolished? Oh, that's right, we do, the Americans that believe that the only right way is the American way (that's because "we're number one!," right?). Who says so?

By the way, I voted for Bush......so don't think I'm just bashing the poor fool. I'll bash whoever I please when they start stepping on their peepee enough.

Next time while sitting in a bar or restaurant, and the guy next to you accidently bumps your arm, start yelling at him, and threatening to "kick his a*s!" I bet nine of of ten times, he tries to calm you down, convince you he doesn't want to fight you, and even offers you a drink. Isn't that cool.....peace is instinctively built into our thought processes. We try to calm the hostile ones through peace. Kind of nifty......Peace and politics, discussion and understanding. Those have solved more problems in the world than bullets and bombs, fists and knives, and other weapons ever have or will. If all fails, then I suppose there is a time to initiate offensive maneuvers against a known threat. I just hope that all else has failed before we start killing people.

By the way, more young men and women have been killed on US soil due to "gang warfare" this year than military young men and women overseas. Now there's a threat, I say we launch an offensive, and start cutting young gangsters in half with SOF helicopter mounted miniguns. No need to find out what the socio-economic causes are that are destroying our country, just start whacking anybody that doesn't "look" right. Oh wait, we couldn't do that on American soil. We can only get away with that on foreign soil. What was I thinking?

bloody spaniard
22 years ago
^ Well said, Adroomi.

How long have you had all of that bottled up inside? LOL
bloody spaniard
22 years ago
BTW, Adroomi, I didn't agree with everything that you said, but I thought that you made some brilliant points.

War is the antidote , brought about by the flawed human condition, that cures oppression. You will always need to violently confront the demonic, irrational elements. Appeasement only prolongs the agony.

blood (for once my handle fits)
Cigarick
22 years ago
Excuse me, but this is the ONLY country in which a civil war was fought in order to end slavery--and it worked here, at least. The Republican party was formed for that very reason, and Abraham Lincoln was the first Republican President. How soon we forget . . .
rayder1
22 years ago
Sorry Cigarick...it really wasn't about slavery, though the history books like to tilt it that way. It's much easier for K-12 graders to stomach that the Civil War was fought to free slaves. That was just a by-product as a result of the collapse of the Confederate economy and the fact that anti slavery laws existed north fo the Mason Dixon line. But it wasn't the purpose of the Civil War. The war was an economical (supple/demand) based war.
rayder1
22 years ago
I meant supply/demand based (second martini working here).

Anyway...the south had raw materials and a economical (but immoral and wrong) way to extract those raw materials (slavery). The north wanted those materials cheap...process them in their factories and return the finished products for a way higher price that the people of the south couldn't afford.

Anyway...the south wanted to trade with England in order to get a better price for their materials and the north wanted to hear nothing of it. Therefore the split occurred and the south wanted to form their own country so the influence of the north would no longer be a factor and so they could trade internationally with whoever they wanted.

As a result...Civil War.

Anyway...war has good and bad results.
Adroomi doesn't think twice about contributing to "slavery" when it comes to Asian hookers.

Sorry bud...I'm sure I can agree with you on cigars, booze and good times....but I'm glad you live abroad with some of your opinions.

Absolutely agree on the child slavery problem. the only way we can ever impact it s to stop buying products from countries that host that form of labor. Unfortunately...wouldn't that negatively effect your livelihood as well Adroomi?
JonR
22 years ago
Whoa, hold on there a minute, are you saying Abe (Honest Abe) Lincoln the 16th Present of the United States made us fight a war based on a lie ! But, But he is one of our most beloved Presidents ! So I guess "if" G.W. lied about WMD he is at least in good company. Huh?

JonR
RICKAMAVEN
22 years ago
JonR

no, he did not go to war based on the lie that he was going to free the slaves. nice try for that reach, but a dollar short and a day late.

he went to war "to preserve the union" which means he didn't want to lose the tax base the south provided, along with their products that the north could charge for producing goods. it's usually about money. they didn't need oil then.
adroomi
22 years ago
Rayder1,
You talk as if you know me personally. What exactly is it about you that makes you so bold that you can for absolutely no reason whatsoever bash me that way? Have you ever seen, or heard me speak of contributing to slavery? In your last paragraph you are referring to me as a peddler of child slavery? What exactly are you trying to say, you ignorant f*ck?

Oh, I get it, I take my photo in a few bars with women, and since I’m in Asia, they are obviously hookers and I am obviously paying them, correct? Well, aren’t you just about the typical racist, prejudiced, anti-anything-that-isn’t-white and American, fool? Let me guess, you spent a year over here in the military, paid a few bar girls (that were supporting the military) so now you are an expert on Asia and human trafficking, correct? Well, that sure does blow the lid off of my expertise. And to think, I spend my days here running around in the woods chasing bad guys, trying to help the less fortunate at a high risk to my personal security, while the real expert is actually sitting at home safe in the USA sipping martini’s. Well, perhaps I should call Langley and have them recruit you. I could use a break.

What is it in your mind that makes a 35 year old single guy that dates freely with more than a few women automatically become a customer and supporter of prostitution (child or otherwise), and/or human slavery? Why would you say that so boldly about me? Do you know me? Do you know what I do for a living? Do you have any factual information about me besides what you read on this board? You might be a bit surprised my friend.

You don’t want me in your country? You’d rather have me abroad, is that what you said? Shame on you my “free-living at the cost of others much better than you” friend. Let me guess, you love cops, you just don’t want to live next to one……

You’re right; if child slavery and human suffering would somehow end tomorrow it would affect my livelihood…no more bad guys to chase, people to “attempt” to free, and no one shooting at me anymore for administering meds to kids in the bush. I’d be out of a job, mission accomplished.

If the above offends you, good! It was intended to. Don’t ever make a judgment of someone in your head again, and then be so obtuse as to put it in writing as “fact.” That’s how rumors get started.
rayder1
22 years ago
So you do have a vulgar side after all.

Anyway, your posts frequently refer to negatives in how life works in the US and I'm sick of hearing it.

You are equally guilty of making baseless accusations here and on other occasions. BTW...I don't care if I live next door to a cop...I am one. 21 years. Yeah...sorry...I don't live freely while others do the dirty work. I get to do plenty of the dirty work myself.

I admit, maybe I was off base accusing your lady friends of being hookers. By the looks of a few of them, (the few that are over 15) they probably couldn't get much for their services...so a few drinks would suffice.



.......Calling me an ignorant f$#%.....

eleltea
22 years ago
Those who turn their swords into plowshares
Will plow for those who don't.

Yes, it would be nice if it weren't true. The world is not always the way we want it. But it is always the way it is.
bloody spaniard
22 years ago
Adroomi, try not to take it so hard, my friend.

I don't think that this Rayder fellow is a racist.
He's probably just a "google expert". Give him a few buzz words, an alcoholic beverage & voila, the "professor" expounds on the Civil War, child prostitution, and even the Spanish Civil War. He told me more about this war than my relatives ever knew--and they lived through it!

Well what are you gonna do. Professor Irwin Corey lives after all. LOL

Nobody seriously thinks that they know you or that you're contributing to the delinquency of minors. Problem is, that some just look at the photos and probably read too much into them.

Take it from me (a former member of la vida loca), don't post if you're going to get upset with the response. It's not worth it.

blood

rayder1
22 years ago
I don't need to google anything, Blood. I stayed awake in school.

Anyway....most of what is on the internet is crap.
adroomi
22 years ago
...thanks Blood, it's good somebody can keep me in check. Apologies for the slander Rayder, you really hit a sour spot with me though. I'll lay off....I should have expected the abuse.

...by the way, the ages of the females in the photos range from 22 to 43. This I can attest to. Last I checked, that was legal for dating and/or bathing together.
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