cexshun
bassdude
21 years ago
thanks - I have never ordered from Dalton but I have discount codes.
hensed
21 years ago
can some of you coffee roasters coach me on the purchase of roasting equipment. This hobby sounds like fun.
cexshun
21 years ago
Sure hensed.

Step 1:
Go to the local Goodwill/Salvation Army, and purchase a hot air popcorn popper. Should cost around $3. I kid you not. I used a hot air popcorn popper for roasting coffee for a year before I spent the money on an actual roaster.
This website will explain the proper popper:
http://www.sweetmarias.com/airpopdesign.html 
Step 2:
Order green beans from the internet. I prefer
http://www.sweetmarias.com 
Step 3:
Roast away

Yes, it's that simple. Feel free to email me
cexshun at libbintech.com
fpaternostro
21 years ago
My ISOM source sent me some free Coffee from Cuba he wanted me to try called Turquino and also sent me a small can of Cubita instant with my last order. Anybody ever tried either of these? I'm not a big coffee drinker, but I'm really looking forward to trying them both. From what I've been told Cuban coffee is pretty good.
cexshun
21 years ago
fp, I have no experience with cuban coffee. Damn embargo. However, I have the following info from a friend of mine from coffeegeek.com

"I have roasted both Turquino and Serrano Cuban and have been drinking it often in the last year. I like them both but Turquino is my favorite of the two. Well balance coffees with medium acid and good body. It is more of a novelty because it is not readily available and illegal in the US. Just too many other very good coffees out there for me to go out of my way to get more."
hensed
21 years ago
thanks for the advice cexshun, I had read that a air popper was the best way to start on a dime. I've also already been to the sites you mentioned. Well wish me luck and I'll let you know how I do.
bassdude
21 years ago
I think Slimboli is fond of the Torquino - he has purchased some high dollar beans in the past.
bassdude
21 years ago
OK, I searched for coffee posts and have placed them in a thread in C&R.

Slimboli
21 years ago
bassdude --- Crystal Mountain is even better (also from Cuba) ... but I think it is just a 'higher grade' Torquino.

... and I roast my own also.

The best I've found to date is the Organic Estate Green Beans from the Galapagos Islands ... very rare.

In 1869 a group of French explorers and coffee lovers planted the first coffee trees on the islands, where they flourished in the clean pure climate.

A coffee tree will live and produce beans for about 60 years, the life span of most coffee trees, and one tree will produce only a pound of coffee each year. These Bourbon Arabica trees have lived for over 135 years, and have consistantly produced two pounds of berries each year.

One other thing to note, is that most of the Bourbon Arabica trees all over the world are dying out, due to a virus (or disease) that has plauged them for many years. The trees on the Galapagous Islands, probably due to their isolation ... have not been effected by it.
Slimboli
21 years ago
hensed --- get the Hearthware i-Roast Coffee Roaster ...

... the best 'fluid' roaster I have ever used.
Slimboli
21 years ago
If any of you decide on JBM ... make sure that you get the Mavis Bank.

Wallenford and Mavis Bank are the two most prominent names (you will see Old Tavern frequently too) ... but Wallenford and Old Tavern are milled at sea level in Kingston, and the salt air will effect the taste. Mavis Bank is milled and stored at altitude, in the high mountains ...
cexshun
21 years ago
The i-Roast is a fantastic roaster. It's what I use also. However, I recommend using a hot air popper when first starting to get the feel of how roasting works. The i-Roast is a little advanced with programmable profiles, and the 2 preset profiles are crap. Unless you are determined to roast for a long time and willing to drop around $179 just to try roasting, I'd say get a popper.

I'd recommend avoiding JBM. The coffee hasn't been the same since the huge hurricane in the 1960s. Papua New Guinea is grown for the original seedstock of JBM, pre-hurricane. The closest you'll get to the "true" JBM flavor is PNG. 90% of the current JBM stock is owned by none other then Japan. Since they have the market cornered, they have inflated prices to well beyond the actual quality of the coffee. I wouldn't suggest spending the money.

Slimboli
21 years ago
cexshun --- have you heard of Tom over at Sweet Maria's ?

This is what he has to say about JBM Mavis Bank:

Ah Jamaica, a great place to visit. But what about that incredibly expensive coffee? The world's best? The world's most overrated? Well, I can say for sure that it is not the world's best coffee. It is an excellent mild, lush coffee ... sometimes. But it is can also be downright bad. In these cases, it's nothing short of a crime to pay those prices for coffee. On top of that, a lot of coffee sold as Jamaican is not true Jamacia Blue Mountain, or is blended. If you pay $12 per lb for Jamaican coffee, it cannot be true Blue Mtn. but either the lower grown Jamaica High Mountain, or most likely a blend that contains a small percentage of JBM.

The history of coffee in Jamaica is epic ...In 1728, Sir Nicholas Lawes, the then Governor of Jamaica, imported coffee into Jamaica from Martinique. The country was ideal for this cultivation and nine years after its introduction 83,000 lbs. of coffee was exported. Between 1728 and 1768, the coffee industry developed largely in the foothills of St. Andrew, but gradually the cultivation extended into the Blue Mountains. Since then, the industry has experienced many rises and falls, some farmers abandoning coffee for livestock and other crops. In order to save the industry, in 1891 legislation was passed "to provide instructions in the art of cultivation and curing coffee by sending to certain districts, competent instructors." Efforts were made to increase the production of coffee and to establish a Central Coffee Work for processing and grading. This effort to improve quality, however, was not very successful: until 1943 it was unacceptable to the Canadian market, which at the time was the largest buyer of Jamaican coffee. In 1944 the Government established a Central Coffee Clearing House where all coffee for export had to be delivered to the Clearing House where it was cleaned and graded. Improvement in the quality of JamaicaÕs coffee export was underway. In June 1950 the Coffee Industry Board was established to officially raise and maintain the quality of coffee exported.

The Blue Mountain region is in the Eastern part of the island, and only coffee grown within can be called JBM. Jamaica High Mountain refers to coffee grown outside the true region. Wallenford and Mavis Bank are the two most prominent names (you will see Old Tavern frequently too). Moy Hall is a co-op created from one of the older farms, and one of the 4 certified sources along with the above-mentioned in 1951. But these are not farms, they are coffee mills that purchase coffee from the surround JBM small farms and mills it. Wallenford ...I won't buy it after learning much of the coffee is milled at sea-level in Kingston --not a good practice( of course, if the cup is good i will buy it regardless of my biases). Mavis bank is milled and stored at altitude. They have really improved the output, with a true zero-defect preparation. But remember, the cup is mild, mild, mild. If you are new to roasting, and determined to roast JBM, try the smallest amount in an order with a really good Central (a Panama, Guatemalan, Costa Rican), a really good Yirgacheffe, a really good auction lot Kenya, a Papua New Guinea estate coffee, a premium small-farm Colombian. And if, in the larger scheme of things, a very good JBM cups simply as a clean, mild cup, soft but uninspiring next to these muscular coffees with pronounced cup character, well, remember that I told you so! -Tom

Notes: Something good is going on at the Mavis Bank Mill. They invested in all new equipment, and the coffee samples are showing up looking good. The problem is, some lots are better than others, and the Jamaican crop is really not a year-round offering (although someone will happily sell you Jamaican at any time of the year). Coffee cannot be stored in Jamaica for a very long time without being damaged by the heat and humidity. So it is important to buy from a carefully cupped lot (the first arrivals are not always the better ones) and then get it shipped promptly out of Jamaica to a milder climate. Beware of imposters; Jamaica High Mountain is not Jamaica Blue Mountain, and many coffees are actually blends that contain little Jamaican. It's fun to roast Blue Mountain and find out what this highly touted coffee is all about when it is fresh ... and why it ranks among the better Mexican coffees in terms of cup quality. True Blue Mountain is an unusual coffee; it has good body, and some very interesting mild nutty flavors with herbal notes that remind me sometimes of chamomile, sometimes of spice. There are only 4 trade names that can legally call their product Blue Mountain coffee: Wallenford, Mavis Bank, Old Tavern and one other I can never remember. True Blue Mountain is actually grown at higher altitudes than most other island coffees, and much of Mavis Bank's farms are at 5000 feet. Nonetheless, it has the soft cup profile. But remember, this is an "island profile" coffee; smooth, mild, balanced ...and oh so so so expensive. Don't expect huge fireworks in the cup - the character of Jamaican coffee is about it's mild balance and subtlety in flavor. I think this lot of Jamaican is the best I have ever had in terms of up quality and preparation of the green coffee. Personally, I will not consider offering any other Jamaican coffee, especially Wallenford. I have seen too many insect-damaged coffees from that source, and cabbage-like flavors in the cupping samples. This lot represents the last coffee to leave the island before Hurricane Ivan roared past the island. We were afraid that the crop would be seriously damaged, and there would be long-term affects. As it turns out, the trees were damaged and the crop this year will be smaller ... but the farms and mills escaped serious injury. When this lot arrived, I was happily surprised with the cup; it is a mid-to-late crop picking (ideal) and had plenty of time to "rest" before being prepared for shipment. It is a mature coffee. Roasted to a lighter City stage it has more top end in the cup but the Full City (a few snaps of 2nd crack in the air roaster) had a marvelous aftertaste, sweet, a little rootbeer, allspice ... yes, mild overall because all Jamaica is! Over-roasted Jamaican ends up like all other coffees; carbony. Try to avoid this so you can sense the other cup flavors...
fpaternostro
21 years ago
Hey Slim. You obviously know a lot about coffees. The source I got it from only has limited supplys of it from time to time. He suggested to me that I try the Cubita and said it was better than the Torquino, but as soon as he got some stock of it, one of his regulars snagged the whole lot. Thats why he sent me the Torquino instead and the small can of Cubita instant. What do you think of the Cubita?
fpaternostro
21 years ago
Slim If you want, e-mail me at [email protected] and I'll go into more detail about where I got it. Frank.
cexshun
21 years ago
Slim, thanks for the copy & paste, but try to to wear out the ctrl-c & ctrl-v on the keyboard. I do know Tom and have spoken to him personally on several occasions via telephone. Interesting how the point you're trying to argue against is stated in the last line of the paste job:
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"try the smallest amount in an order with a really good Central (a Panama, Guatemalan, Costa Rican), a really good Yirgacheffe, a really good auction lot Kenya, a Papua New Guinea estate coffee, a premium small-farm Colombian. And if, in the larger scheme of things, a very good JBM cups simply as a clean, mild cup, soft but uninspiring next to these muscular coffees with pronounced cup character, well, remember that I told you so!"
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Frankly, if something costs $50 a pound roasted, it better knock my eyes out of my sockets and give me a one way ticket into heaven. JBM is far from this. It is an EXCEPTIONAL coffee! However, if you cup PNG and JBM side by side, you'll notice they have extremely similar profiles, yet the PNG has that something extra that JBM is missing. Not only is PNG cheaper, but also superior in everyway. In my opinion of course.
Slimboli
21 years ago
You know fpaternostro, I have heard from MANY people that the Cubita is the best Cuban coffee there is ... but I have never been able to score any.
Slimboli
21 years ago
Hey cexshun, I didn't know that you were offended by my 'copy and paste' ... and why it should bother you.

It sure makes it a lot easier for getting something 'exact' and in a pure context when quoting what others sites say about any given topic, and is good reading for those interested (and don't care to search for themseves) ... and to be honest, I didn't know I was arguing against anything (or anyone) here.

I was just stating an experienced 'cuppers' point of view, not for or against ... in reading the first few lines, he pretty much sums it up.

One thing you did not point out, is that Tom also stated, "I think this lot of Jamaican is the best I have ever had in terms of up quality and preparation of the green coffee ..." and "When this lot arrived, I was happily surprised with the cup ..."

I went through a 5 lb. bag of green that I purchased from his last offering of Mavis Bank ... and it only cost me around $70.

And I had fun roasting it to a little after the first crack, to a little before the second crack ... and it was some great coffee. I've had better of course ... but it was still well worth the $$$ I paid for it.
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