plinytheelder
16 years ago
Koufax was a great pitcher, but he only played 11 years.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/k/koufasa01.shtml?redir 

3 Cy Youngs
MVP
Go to the bottom and look at all the 1st's for season stats.

Ryan?
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/r/ryanno01.shtml 

No Cy Youngs
Only a .526 winning percentage
Not much of a big game pitcher
222 complete games


Gibson stats:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/wsdot/sets/72157621006556309/ 

Notice the Gold Gloves at the bottom. 9 straight years
2 Cy Youngs
MVP
255 complete games

But, most importantly... 1 LOWERED MOUND TO MAKE IT FAIR FOR THE BATTERS.
plinytheelder
16 years ago
Seriously, Ryan giving Ventura a knuckle-sandwich to the noggin notwithstanding, he doesn't even place in the top 5 in best-pitcher-of-all-time lists.
HockeyDad
16 years ago
gringococolo
16 years ago
WATERBOARD GERBILS!!
Thunder.Gerbil
16 years ago
^
Thanks Gringo, you're a real pal.
JonR
16 years ago
Jim Bunning, without a doubt!



JonR
fishinguitarman
16 years ago
Richard Simmons
JonR
16 years ago
Re #27:

I heard he was a catcher.


JonR
fishinguitarman
16 years ago
wide receiver
big chief
16 years ago
How cool to see my favorite pitcher--Sandy Koufax--get some respect.

I saw hime pitch once against the SF Giants when I was maybe 12-13 years old...Maury Wills was playing, too. What a game I saw!
donutboy2000
16 years ago
With the 15-inch mound a constant, good hitters hit, good pitchers thrived, and the pastime thrummed along through three wars, a cruel Great Depression, and crowned its World Series champions.

So why did the Lords of Baseball decide in a fit of panic after a 1968 season known as "The Year of the Pitcher" that after 65 years of baseball's rhythmic swings they needed to lower the mounds by 26.6 percent to 11 inches?

It's an easy answer when the third-most radical rule change of the 20th century - behind creation of the designated hitter and the ban of the spitball - is viewed through the prism of 40 years.

The mound was lowered in an attempt to restore competitive balance to a game where the once-mighty AL had become decidedly inferior to the National.

How and why? Well, let's take a look at that so-called "Year of the Pitcher":

* Five American League pitchers - Luis Tiant, Dave McNally, Sam McDowell, Denny McLain and Tommy John - had ERAs under 2.00. None is in the Hall of Fame.

Now, let's check the hitters they faced that season:

Carl Yastrzemski led the AL with a .301 batting average. At No. 10 at .274 was Rick Monday. Only Yaz is a Hall of Famer.

Now let's check the National League:

Pete Rose won the batting title at .335; Roberto Clemente was 10th at .291. The NL produced below-average but not anomalous offense in a season when Bob Gibson's ERA was a modern-era record 1.12. Willie McCovey led the NL with 36 homers.

But the most telling numbers in the power stats were these: Six of the top 10 NL home-run leaders that year went to the Hall of Fame; all six were players of color. Just two of the top 10 AL home-run leaders, Yaz and Reggie Jackson, are HOF members. Just two, Willie Horton and Jackson, were players of color. Therein lies the real story.

By the late 1960s, the integration of African-Americans and Hispanics into MLB had become imbalanced. The National League had more talent and diversity, pure and simple. A rare confluence of peaking pitchers had driven the AL's offensive wing to its knees. But it had damn little to do with a mound that was the same height in 1961, when Norm Cash hit .361, Roger Maris hit 61 homers and six AL sluggers hit more than 40 bombs.

Same damn 15 inches . . .

The Lords of Baseball wanted to restore offensive balance. That's what they said at the winter meetings. What they didn't mention was that they really wanted to prop up the AL.

And, wow, look how it worked. In 1969, five AL sluggers, led by Harmon Killebrew's 49, hit more than 40 homers. Offense was up in both leagues. What the Lords didn't say was that the diluted pitching supplied by expansion teams in Seattle, Kansas City (replacing the A's' carpetbag move to Oakland), Montreal and San Diego might have had as much effect as the lowered mounds.

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/20090812_Bill_Conlin__MLB_should_raise_the_mounds_and_lower_the_ERAs.html 
haon123
16 years ago
Mariano Rivera.

MLB's leader in career postseason ERA (0.77) and saves (34).
Buckwheat
16 years ago
Charlie
16 years ago
Don't forget ::::::


Billy Chapel.............pitched a no hitter in his final game.



Charlie
chukwagn
16 years ago
gringococolo
16 years ago
WATERBOARD 1994 VOLVOS!!!!
pdxstogieman
16 years ago
1) Warren Spahn
2) Tom Seaver
3) Bob Gibson
4) Sandy Koufax
5) Robin Roberts
6) Steve Carlton
7) Nolan Ryan
8) Randy Johnson
9) Don Drysdale
10) Mariano Rivera
burgess_b
16 years ago
my vote goes to Ryan, but that is a vote from the heart. watched him pitch. going to the games and sitting in the bleachers to watch him dominate trumps stats.

taking down ventura (1/2 his age) after he charged the mound was big...

finishing out the inning and more innings after getting a line drive in the mouth off of Bo Jackson is so much bigger. he was a warrior.

and let's be honest, you gotta look at the teams that surround the pitcher when you look at wins and Big Games. i love the Rangers, but they NEVER had any big games. his other teams were not much better. imagine how many wins he would have gotten on the Sox (either) or the Yankees...............
DrMaddVibe
16 years ago
Rangers?

You BETTER go back to the Angels pal!
burgess_b
16 years ago
Mets...Astros...never a great team...and without run support, it is always a pressure situation, which affects pitching.

any pitcher for the yankees should have a reasonably good winning percentage.
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