Do you mean to say that people are actually dying in this war effort?? I guess you are right. Bush is evil. He should model himself after our last "great" president, William Jefforson Clinton. We could turn the proverbial other cheek like Bubba did after the USS Cole (to name just one). Allah be Praised.

strange that the military that bush said was so inadequate, you know, the one that clinton ruined, was able to deploy and win so well. my post was about the innocents, the ones who are just looking for their next meal.

I got two words for this bull$#!t journalism...collateral damage. The damn terrorists didn't care about civilians so why should we. Even the most "perfect" precision weapons will still fail. But just think of what the casulties would be if we resorted to carpet bombing as was the practice as recently as Viet-Nam. And furthermore these groups know that we "try not" to hit non-military targets, that is why they hide in Mosques, schools, and Hospitals. They are nothing more than cowards and we should feel no remorse for their destruction only for the oppressed that were forced to be their cover. And as for the racism crap our military is not a "caucasion militery" as he states but one of great diversity, even including AMERICANS of Arab decent. So for once try to see the real truths and not the anti-American "truths" of these media sources that wouldn't have any freedoms if it wasn't for our great country. Todd

The irony lies in the fact that their last meal probably came complements of Dubya himself. Lest you forget, Rick, we gave the Afghans a choice. We simply asked for Osama to be handed over. They chose death. We provided their wish. When the innocent become the hunted, then I will join your crusade. Until then, realize that our intent is pure even if the results are human.

excellent response, todd.

tailgator: "Until then, realize that our intent is pure even if the results are human." i hope you meant inhuman or unfortunate.

Hey ******-maven. It's called war dumbsh*t. In war, people get killed, even civilians. This, as evidenced by the thousands lying dead under the rubble of the former World Trade Center Towers in New York City. Or did your leftist news sources conveniently forget that? YOU are such a worthless piece of crap.

iron man: no i haven't forgotten the dead in new york. is there no other way you can respond without the vulgarity? it demeans you.

It is unfortunate that we have had to respond the way that we have, but it is good that we are not "turning the other cheek" as we have for the eight dark years under Freewilly, and are going to get the bastards for their cowardly acts that killed innocent people and started this entire thing! Civilians will die and that cannot be helped, but we are trying to keep the number as low as possible. God Bless George W. Bush and God Bless America! Charlie

Rick, I did indeed mean "human". As in "to err is human". The point being that although our mortar shells are deliberate, they may create some unwanted results while doing the job intended. The end does not always justify the means, but in this case timing was critical when the exhaustive political efforts between 9-11 and early October proved futile. To delay could have meant more innocent AMERICAN lives. That is a risk I am glad we did not take. If we keep the bastards running and digging graves, then they can't very well plan phase II of their Jihad. To cry about foreign casualties when the stench of jet fuel, soot, and death still linger in our own backyard is not only "Un-American", its disrespectful.

i only cry for the children as i cried for our people and their families. i don't think that is un or dis anything.

Mmmmm hmmmmmm. I see. This is not a conventional war. When you fight against an enemy that has no regard for civilian casualties, unfortunately, you also have to take that position as well.

This is one case where I do not cry for the children. I regret to say that we are at war with "animals" who have no regard for anything sacred in our country, and while I agree that we should try to keep the civilian population death count as low as possible! What the hell determines just what is a civilian or a villian in this damn war? Charlie

Rick, you may cry for their children, but cry for the right reasons. The very worst that can happen to them is that they survive and grow up to be like their ancestors. As soon as they are old enough to comprehend, they will be taught to forego family in lieu of "death to America". Their paranoia runs deep and their lot in life is Self Imposed.

How does that saying go? "You can't make a cake without breaking a few eggs". Likewise you can't fight a war without some fatalities. Bush made the statment to the effect that the US will treat the terrorists and those that hide them in the same manner. If they are hiding out in schools then they were warned and I won't cry for their loss. I also can't tell you the number of pictures I have seen of children carrying weapons and training and showing their opposition to the US. IMHO we are just doing some preventative maintenance. Granted there are may be some good people dying. But we didn't ask for this war. We didn't attack them first. We are just protecting ourselves. But that is just my opinion.

DICKmaven, my reply to your leftist bile doesn't demean me in any way, shape, or form you moron. The way you've totally missed scope and magnitude of the events since 9/11/2001, focusing on a few afghan civillian deaths, demeans your very intelligence by a factor of ten. Get with the program and stop posting your bull****.

it is not your disagreeing with me that demeans you, most on this board do. everyone knows that all cigar smokers are illiterate survivalists, nasty, carry guns, and don't like anyone with a different religion or race, and they voted for george. what demeans you is the use of words like: "bile, moron and bul****".

You forgot "******" if he meant it in that context! Iron Bar is obviously an idiot who does not believe that everyone is entitled to their viewpoint whether it is right or wrong! By resorting to personal attacks, it only shows that he strongly believes that "his" is the only viewpoint. I may not agree with Rickamaven on a lot of subjects but he has never(since I've been here) resorted to personal attacks. Idiots like Iron Bar clearly show the lack of knowledge that they have about a wide range of topics and can do nothing else in a healthy debate but to resort to personal attacks!

I am not illet, ilig, illi... I can read