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21 years ago
Janet Norwood, right, whose son was killed in Iraq, hugs Safia Taleb al-Suhail, leader of the Iraqi Women's Political Council.(AP)


Women provide emotion at State of Union
By Associated Press
Thursday, February 3, 2005

WASHINGTON - They met just before the speech began: the mother of a soldier killed in Iraq and the daughter of a man killed by Saddam Hussein's regime. They found some comfort in a spontaneous moment that electrified President Bush's State of the Union address.

The two women, both touched by death in Iraq, reached out for each other while lawmakers, military leaders, the president and the nation watched. Their locked embrace inspired the longest applause of the evening.

On Thursday, the parents of Marine Corps Sgt. Byron Norwood said the Iraqi woman, Safia Taleb al-Suhail, had turned and introduced herself just before the speech.

"She thanked us for our son's sacrifice and made sure we knew the people in Iraq were grateful for the sacrifices that were made not just by our son, but by all of them," Janet Norwood said.

"I just told her how happy we were that the elections were successful and told her our son would have been pleased," said Norwood, appearing on ABC's "Good Morning America" with her husband, Bill.

Al-Suhail's father was killed 11 years ago by the Iraqi intelligence service. Now the leader of the Iraqi Women's Political Council, she watched the annual presidential address Wednesday night at the Capitol as a guest of first lady Laura Bush.

Behind her sat Janet Norwood, who sent her son into battle wishing she could "protect him like I had since he was born." Her son was proud to fight, loved his job and wanted to protect the nation, the mother wrote in a letter to the president.

"We have said farewell to some very good men and women who died for our freedom and whose memory this nation will honor forever," Bush said.

Pain etched lines in Norwood's forehead as she held a woman who won the freedom to vote in Iraq's election on Sunday. Norwood finally let go, took her husband's arm and rested her head on his shoulder.

The Iraqi woman had been applauded earlier when she stood and waved an purple-ink-stained finger and V-for-victory sign after being introduced by the president as a symbol for millions of Iraqis who voted in a free election for the first time last Sunday.

Lawmakers honored those elections with a show of purple, the color that marked the index fingers of Iraqis who voted.

A wave of purple fingers went up at each mention of the Iraqi vote, a gesture organized by Rep. Bobby Jindal, R-La., to demonstrate solidarity with Iraqi voters. In a letter to fellow lawmakers, Jindal said he wanted to display support for "people throughout the world who seek freedom."

Some women traded traditional red and blue garb for suits that spanned a spectrum of purple, from lavender to violet. A few men sported purple ties.

"In any nation, casting your vote is an act of civic responsibility," Bush said of the election. "For millions of Iraqis, it was also an act of personal courage, and they have earned the respect of us all."

Democrats also praised the election, but pushed the Bush administration to improve security and transfer governing authority to the Iraqis.

"We have never heard a clear plan from this administration for ending our presence in Iraq," said House Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi of California.

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jekyl9
21 years ago
not to diminish the sacrifice but has anyone asked why Shafia cast her vote from the good ol USA??????

and why haven't the Iraqi people "fought" for their freedom before now?

i also thought we were there to destroy the chemical and biological weapons we have yet to find. not put a puppet democracy in place.

the average Iraqi isn't worried about freedom as much as he is where his next meal is coming from or will he die today.

i think everyone who wants to have this "freedom" should have it but are they really free??? or has one dictator been replaced by another???

and as i have asked before, why is it America's responsibility to free the world when 1. we can't afford to 2.we have citizen at home we can't feed or educate and 3.freedom given isn't as valued as freedom earned.
TrannyMk
21 years ago
Jerk9

Here are some answers to your questions.

"not to diminish the sacrifice but has anyone asked why Shafia cast her vote from the good ol USA??????"

Why should anyone ask? That's her business.

"and why haven't the Iraqi people "fought" for their freedom before now?"

How do you know they haven't? They probably have. Some of the people killed didn't agree with his politics.

"i also thought we were there to destroy the chemical and biological weapons we have yet to find. not put a puppet democracy in place."

There WAS definitely chemical and bio weapons, he used them on his own people and the Curds. They are hidden very well or have been moved. Your view that it's a puppet democracy going into place isn't the majority point of view in this country or in Iraq. But you know more than the folks living there right?

"the average Iraqi isn't worried about freedom as much as he is where his next meal is coming from or will he die today."

That's bullcrap. Why then did millions risk their lives to vote? You don't even know an average Iraqi, so your statement is only a guess, which is wrong.

"i think everyone who wants to have this "freedom" should have it but are they really free??? or has one dictator been replaced by another???"

OK, who is this other dictator you are speaking of? I don't think you know what you are talking about as usual. When we finish in Iraq they will be in charge of their own country. Nobody, even democrats are saying what you just stated. It's false...

"and as i have asked before, why is it America's responsibility to free the world when 1. we can't afford to 2.we have citizen at home we can't feed or educate and 3.freedom given isn't as valued as freedom earned."

1) It isn't our responsibility. But as Americans we know that with freedom comes peace. This is in our best interest for the safety of this country. It's also morally wrong to stand by and watch a murderer like Saddam kill innocent people. Also Israel is an allie and Saddam was supporting suicide bombers going into Israel.

2) Give me an example of a citizen who wasn't given the opportunity to go to school. Just one will do. Also give me an example of a town or city where welfare isn't available if you truly need it and try to get it. Just one will do.

3) How did you earn your freedom? It's very easy to say you must earn your freedom when you aren't in their position...very easy...

Have a nice day...
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21 years ago
jekyl9 your a real piece of work
Charlie
21 years ago
Jerkyl 9

You are indeed a jerk, now crawl back under your rock and stay there for a while!

Charlie
jekyl9
21 years ago
for your info fool i have lived in the muslim countries in the past and have seen the puppet US governments their. have you forgotton Iran? yeah the Shah was our puppet who did the same things Saddam was doing. the difference was he was loyal to us. can you really be foolish enough to believe that the Bush administration didn't pulled the strings on that "election"? which candidate stood up and yelled Yankee go home? oh there weren't any. no opposing views doesn't leave much chance for debate.

wake up dude. i have experienced the 3rd world first hand and until you've gone there and tasted reality you just won't believe.


now for the answers you don't want to hear..

1. she probably cast her vote over here because she lives in America because she likes our lifestyle and not poverty and danger. what do we really know about her father who was killed? once again you assume and believe the propaganda.

2. you still believe the chemical weapons are there? even King George said oops to that.

3. you say millions risked their lives to vote? they risk their lives everyday to go to work and live there.
that is the way life is in Iraq and other countries. we as Americans live a sheltered existence.

4.when we leave there our puppet government will be in place.the corruption that has always existed there will still be there and i predict that when the masses don't get the American dream handed to them they will revolt and do what Iran did. BTW the American dream is not about freedom but wealth in case you havent figured that out yet. and just because the democrats don't say it either doesn't mean anything. they like you are just worried about being popular with the people.

5. now to the "morally wrong" bs.... you're kidding me right??? don't mix government with morals... we have stood by in the past and watched worse dictators than Saddam commit unspeakable acts. do you read the news from African countries? let me refresh your memory..South Africa, Nicaragua, Rwanda, China
morality has nothing to do with it. if there was oil in some of these African countries we'd have our nose there too. as for Israel being a "friend"... wake up. what have they ever done for us? BTW what evidence was there that Iraq "supported" suicide bombers? and even if he did thats Israel's problem. let them deal with it.

6."freedom comes with peace"???? man where do you get this crap. freedom comes with money and wealth.

7.also you must live in white bread suberbia.. you are right that in this country poverty ain't as bad as some countries middle class. however we could use all these resources that we are sending to Iraq to better the quality of life for our own people who might actually be appreciative for it. there are homeless people in this country who need the feds help with job training and education and just medical benefits. i've seen customers of mine who's lives were destroyed by job loss with no medical insurance and although they didn't starve they did lose their homes. why not give some of that 80billiion to them?

as for earning freedom.....everyone born in this country (including you and me) was lucky. my wife however had to fight to get here and suceeded. as for how i earned my freedom i do it everyday by speaking the truth no matter how unpopular. if you must know also i'm one of the ones that helped bring a well known bank to its knees for its part in predatory lending. it cost me my job and false security. however i went to war with the bank and won so if you want to question my courage junior go for it. btw what have you done to "earn" your freedom??? or do you just sit around and agree with the great propaganda machine. and no i'm not in their position but i am in my own and i see the possible future effects of King George's economic policy and none of them look bright.
Charlie
21 years ago
Jerkyl (

Thanks, you just justified my thoughts about you. You are indeed a foolish person, who lives in the neverland! Do not try to debate with those who know more than you. You are sadly lacking in all aspects of knowledge about Iraq and Iran! Now go back to watching your Michael Moore videos and believe every word he says in them! Those are actual fact to be digested to the fullest by any good liberal leftist! Have a Nice Day

Charlie
TrannyMk
21 years ago
I dont believe a word you say. Why arent you clear about the middle eastern country you lived in? Why dont you explain in more detail?

You said,

"1. she probably cast her vote over here because she lives in America because she likes our lifestyle and not poverty and danger. what do we really know about her father who was killed? once again you assume and believe the propaganda."

Ha ha! Probably? See jackass, you are guessing about someone elses life. How could you possibly know?

You said,

"2. you still believe the chemical weapons are there? even King George said oops to that."

I guess you only want to read the part of my post that works for your pathetic logic. I SAID that they were hidden or that THEY MAY HAVE BEEN MOVED! Are you denying that HE NEVER HAD THEM??? Only a dumbass could think that.

You said,

"3. you say millions risked their lives to vote? they risk their lives everyday to go to work and live there.
that is the way life is in Iraq and other countries. we as Americans live a sheltered existence."

I guess you dont watch the news. The terrorists specifically said that they would kill voters or folks that worked at the polls. A threat above and beyond the existing threat.

You said,

"4.when we leave there our puppet government will be in place.the corruption that has always existed there will still be there and i predict that when the masses don't get the American dream handed to them they will revolt and do what Iran did. BTW the American dream is not about freedom but wealth in case you havent figured that out yet. and just because the democrats don't say it either doesn't mean anything. they like you are just worried about being popular with the people"

You are so wrong! Sure most would enjoy wealth, but it isnt what makes or breaks achieving the American dream. Many folks think that owning a home and having a nice wife and kids in peace is the American dream. If you think wealth is the only way, then you are too materialistic and shallow.

I started my own business 16 years ago. I own a house and condo. I just celebrated my 25yr wedding anniversary. I AM LIVING THE AMERICAN DREAM. I'm not rich by any stretch of the imagination. But I've worked hard for all I've got.

You said,

"5. now to the "morally wrong" bs.... you're kidding me right??? don't mix government with morals... we have stood by in the past and watched worse dictators than Saddam commit unspeakable acts. do you read the news from African countries? let me refresh your memory..South Africa, Nicaragua, Rwanda, China
morality has nothing to do with it. if there was oil in some of these African countries we'd have our nose there too. as for Israel being a "friend"... wake up. what have they ever done for us? BTW what evidence was there that Iraq "supported" suicide bombers? and even if he did thats Israel's problem. let them deal with it."

You are obviously one that subscribes to the Clinton book of morals. So your answer is not a surprise. Bush has morals whether you believe it or not. Next, the reason to pick the middle east first to help people is because not only is it morally corect. But our National security is also a factor. Those other countries will eventually get help, but we must go with priorities. We cant do it all at once. Next Saddam was giving families of suicide bombers $25,000. That was in the news. Do you even watch the news? Next, do you know what it means to be an allie? I dont think so. Israel is an allie.

You said,

"6."freedom comes with peace"???? man where do you get this crap. freedom comes with money and wealth."

Like I said before. If money and wealth is all you care about, then you are a very materialistic, shallow, and unimformed person. There are many countries that endorse democracy and human rights that arent rich.

You said,

"7.also you must live in white bread suberbia.. you are right that in this country poverty ain't as bad as some countries middle class. however we could use all these resources that we are sending to Iraq to better the quality of life for our own people who might actually be appreciative for it. there are homeless people in this country who need the feds help with job training and education and just medical benefits. i've seen customers of mine who's lives were destroyed by job loss with no medical insurance and although they didn't starve they did lose their homes. why not give some of that 80billiion to them?"

My answer to the first part of your garbage is I"M A AMERICAN MEXICAN. I live among all races. I live in San Jose CA. Its a melting pot of all races and religions.

As for earning freedom. You arent earning jack **** by spewing your garbage. You really dont know what earning freedom means with an answer like that. You are exersizing your freedom of speech which comes with freedom. And I'll honestly tell you that I'm lucky to have been born in a country where others did fight and die for my rights and freedom. My father fought in the Korean war. You were given your freedom by guys like my dad. YOU NEVER EARNED IT, AND NEITHER DID I!!!

You havent made any arguments in my opinion that help your cause at all.

Have a nice day Jerk9...
Charlie
21 years ago
Whoops, I think Jerk 9 has just left the building!

Charlie
eleltea
21 years ago
Jekyl should hide.
rastusmcnair
21 years ago
Jekyl, You have every right to express your opinions, many of which I share. You guys who immediatly resort to name calling when you disagree with someone should be ashamed of yourselves.
jekyl9
21 years ago
bad news for the war mongers....just read Rice says that there are no immediate plans to attack Iran next....but they better stop their plans attain nuclear power.

guess we are the only one allowed to have that.

good news is that by the time King George figures out a way to get out of Iraq without looking foolish his reign of terror will be over. however he might just be foolish enough to invade another muslim country and install democracy their too......hold it,,,,didn't we do that in Iran once before and have it backfire?????

those who forget the mistakes of the past are doomed to repeat them.

now lets all support King George in the killing of more people who are trying to exercise a little religious freedom and self government. or is religious and political freedom exclusive to American catholics and protestants?
Charlie
21 years ago
Hohum

Charlie
usahog
21 years ago
http://www.cigarbid.com/auction/forum/forum.cfm?action=list&forumID=9&messageDisplay=0000000032394 

Jerkyl, you missed one!!!!

U.S. to Pull 15,000 Troops Out of Iraq
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A61910-2005Feb3.html?referrer=email 

Seem's to me the Whitehouse is standing by what they said about reducing the troops after the elections...

Hog
TrannyMk
21 years ago
I guess Jerky cant handle my debate with him. It figures. Nothing but garbage comes out of his mouth anyway...
RICKAMAVEN
21 years ago
perfectly proper picture to post.


if i posted this the lollypop brigade would have accussed me of walking on the back of the troops.
TrannyMk
21 years ago
Ricky

This picture wouldnt have caused any negative reactions towards you...it would have been your caption that I'm sure would have been the problem...

...I'm still waiting Jerkyl...especially your response about you earning your freedom...what a joke...
RICKAMAVEN
21 years ago
jekyl9

you foolish person. how dare you use facts to discuss your opinion. you have left out the most important words necessary to present an point of view.

your a real piece of work he meant you're

You are indeed a jerk, now crawl back under your rock and stay there for a while!

You are indeed a foolish person, who lives in the neverland! a refrence to michel jackson.

jackass

Jerk 9 a purposefull mispelling of your handle in an attempt to diminish you. it never works.

Hohum author has lost concentration and is probably changing chanels to get his soap opera

Jerkyl, shame on you USAHOG, you are better then that.

Nothing but garbage comes out of his mouth

if you really want to debate with the lollypop brigade, damn i like that phrase, you will need to hone your skills.

the following are a few invectives you might want to learn

senile old man

walks on the backs of soldiers.

nothing new but more cut and pastes.

can always find something bad to say about bush

senility and paranoid schizophrenia

obsessed old fool

HORSES ASS

sad little man.

and least i forget "*** you" from a sotl.

now let's get real and fight the battle with the weapons chosen by the brigade.
Charlie
21 years ago
Rick

LMAO, wondered when you would take this "person" under your liberal wing and try to help him out! God knows he needs it!

Charlie
usahog
21 years ago
"Jerkyl, shame on you USAHOG, you are better then that."
No Rick... not with this A$$Clown... his ignorance has gotten under my skin!!!!
His demenor is in total difference to your 70+ yrs of thoughts on the current situations...

It's hard to keep civil discorse when all he does is spew slander at other members in his rants... he cannot have a decent debate and chooses to hit and run tactics...

I don't even think he smokes cigars... and I also think from reading his posts he's a radical islamist with a retoric agenda!!!!

it's easy for him to sit behind a monitor and toss his slander... but he wouldn't last 5 seconds in a bar with a mouth like his ;0)

So I'll shut up and get off my soap box when he can come to the table treating people on this forum with respect... otherwise he don't get **** from me....

Hog
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