Maybe if you had not run it and the industry into the dirt he would know of it!

he is in the dirt business? maybe he really is high on the knowledge of knowing things of the inner workings of this great country that only he and the illuminati know..

ah, no.

never claimed to be of the illuminati, as you must be...

typical liberal bullcrap.

you don't like the statement, so attack the person.

ad hominem attacks are just as invalid as arguments, and i would think you might know that.

guess i was wrong on that, too.

I do not dislike the statement.... I have no feeling one way or another. It just can not be substantiated.... someone through out BS, could not back it up and got all riled when called on it.

I could care less If Bill liked the military or not. I never voted for him, worked on the republican campains to try to beat him, and he is long gone.

bull**** is bull**** regardless of party.

someone disagrees with me so they must be a typical ___________ insert lame pat answer here

No Democrat since John F Kennedy has ever been a true friend to the US Armed Forces......just the way it is and do not see it changing with BHO in the White House.

Charlie

i am not riled. far from it (i assume that was reference to me).

immediate challenge was to post links to sources.

but no source can be anything greater than direct witness. i posted a statement by a direct witness, which can be no more, or no less than if it was a link to some website that said the same.

accept it, or not. i care not.

there can, in this instance, be no "beyond a reasonable doubt," since closed minds (yes, on either side) will always carry a doubt.

but if a preponderance of the evidence is a reasonable standard, and you don't like mine, i welcome (nay, encourage you) to stop in at lejuene, where you will get several thousand additional testimonies to the same evidence.

what you believe, about this or anything else, i care not. as i said, take it for what it is, or is not, or do your own research. but simply saying "no" adds nothing (unless you are in congress).

stop at town topic for a burger and another opinion. just as relevant or irrelevant whichever route you prefer.

either way it is opinion not fact.

that said, I certainly would never say Clinton was a friend of the military. that is not the point.

but then again since I do not agree 100% that makes me a Liberal which erodes any credibility I have and raises your great open minded credibility 😉

its friday man.... relax

As for lejuene, I beleive there will be a common OPINION there just as there is with any group of largely (not completely) like minded individuals (folks with something major in common).

I live very near leavenworth and have many friends in the military. they have lots of interesting takes on politics, and I respect them. One of them even liked clinton, but he is a fool.

they are only opinions, if it is to say "it is my opinion that i HEARD..."

and in that case, all statements must be opinion, and no testimony would be provable.

desCartes might agree, but it is hardly a workable standard.

meh some things are documented some are not. if I took everything someone "heard" as fact I'd be more confused than I already am.

Don't beleive everything you hear.

lets put it this way... and while I have been jacking around with you I really do not know you and there is nothing personal here.....

a guy on a cigar forum heard someone say something that someone said that applied to a President. it is presented as fact and very close to source intel. there is no documentation or support other than talk to any military person at a specific fort.

you may be 100% correct. but anyone that accepts it on face value is a fool.

i simply reported.

i do believe that the speaker believed his ears.

he, who heard it said at lejeune.

lejuene is not a reference to a community of like-minded souls, it is reference to where it was said, and where you can find many who had heard.

now, if it is only their opinion that they heard it, well, there are a lot of pissed off marines who believe that they heard it.

i, personally, would not want a lot of marines pissed at me for something i said.

lol ok

urban legends are strange things. the strangest part is sometimes they are true while usually they are not.

usually there is a bit of truth that has been twisted into some convienient form either intentionally or unintentionally.

admittedly my cynicism may very well prevent me from beleiving things that may be true. it also may keep me from beleiving nonsense.

biggdawg - I retract my pissy comment regarding your business. I got my dander up and had handle confusion so my reference didn't belong to you - I apologize for that gaffe.

However, my original question was referring to your comments stating "On the Record" positions of presidential administrations. I was sincerely asking for specific sources to back those claims because I had not heard of them and figured if they were true they would have created enough drama that I would have heard of them.

What I got in response was a pissy response that implied that I was lazy and stupid which by our own subsequent post would be ad hominem (which I did actually have to look up...) would it not?

The outcome of the references were to show that they were not "on the record", were hearsay in one case, and a referral to a decades old letter expressed incorrectly as a reasonably current stated quotation of a presidential administration. At least that's what I got out of this pissing match - and you?

Face it, teedubbya, you're only cynical when it comes to Republicans.

When it is a Democrat, you're a true believer.

Potts in here you are correct. It has something to do with the audience and the reaction.