myash07
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Saturday, May 1, 2010 9:11:00 AM
Arizona politicians called Friday's shooting an outrage and urged the federal government to do more to secure the border with Mexico.

"Regardless of the outcome of tonight's manhunt and investigation, Arizona is now confronted by some of the most vicious and dangerous narco-terror organizations the world has seen," Brewer said in a statement.

Rep. Kirkpatrick, a Democrat whose district includes part of Pinal County, said the violence "should show the rest of the country what we Arizonans have known for too long — the unsecured border poses a very real and very immediate danger."

I believe that this shows why we need to control the borders and why Arizona's law makers pass the illegal immegrant law.

Who can argue this point?

donutboy2000
Saturday, May 1, 2010 9:15:00 AM
IF YOU CROSS THE NORTH KOREAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU GET 12 YEARS HARD LABOR.

IF YOU CROSS THE IRANIAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU ARE DETAINED INDEFINITELY.

IF YOU CROSS THE AFGHAN BORDER ILLEGALLY, YOU GET SHOT.

IF YOU CROSS THE SAUDI ARABIAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU WILL BE JAILED.

IF YOU CROSS THE CHINESE BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU MAY NEVER BE HEARD FROM AGAIN.

IF YOU CROSS THE VENEZUELAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU WILL BE BRANDED A SPY AND YOUR FATE WILL BE SEALED.

IF YOU CROSS THE CUBAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU WILL BE THROWN INTO POLITICAL PRISON TO ROT.

IF YOU CROSS THE U.S. BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU GET

1 - A JOB,

2 - A DRIVERS LICENSE,

3 - SOCIAL SECURITY CARD,

4 - WELFARE,

5 - FOOD STAMPS,

6 - CREDIT CARDS,

7 - SUBSIDIZED RENT OR A LOAN TO BUY A HOUSE,

8 - FREE EDUCATION,

9 - FREE HEALTH CARE,

10 - A LOBBYIST IN WASHINGTON

11 - BILLIONS OF DOLLARS WORTH OF PUBLIC DOCUMENTS PRINTED IN YOUR LANGUAGE

12 - AND THE RIGHT TO CARRY YOUR COUNTRY'S FLAG WHILE YOU PROTEST THAT YOU DON'T GET ENOUGH RESPECT

deadeyedick
Saturday, May 1, 2010 10:02:00 AM
C&P from a recent email

I received this e-mail from a friend and fellow resident of Santa Cruz County. He is trustworthy and honest. I believe the content to be true. It gives me great cause for concern. I have sent a copy of this to Senator Kyl's office and

Senator McCain. Unfortunately McCain must be contacted through a mail "form" and it's questionable if anyone will read it.

--------------------------------------------------

>

> friend who recently retired from border patrol.........

>

>

> As you know, one of the local ranchers was murdered in Douglas two weeks

> ago. His funeral is tomorrow. I received three messages similar to the one

> below from different officers within the Rangers and law enforcement.

> Yesterday afternoon I talked to another rancher near us who is a friend of

> ours and whose great grandfather started their ranch here in 1880. These

> are good people. He told me what really happened out at the Krentz ranch

> and what you won’t read in the papers. The Border Patrol is afraid of

> starting a small war between civilians here and the drug cartels in Mexico

> .

> Bob Krentz was checking his water like he does every evening and came upon

> an illegal who was lying on the ground telling him he was sick. Bob called

> the Border Patrol and asked for a medical helicopter evac. As he turned

> to

> go back to his ATV he was shot in the side. The round came from down and

> angled up so they know the shooter was on the ground. Bob’s firearm was in

> the ATV so he had no chance. Wounded he called the Cochise County Sherriff

> and asked for help. Bleeding in the lungs he called his brother but the

> line was bad so he called his wife but again the line was bad.

> Several ranchers heard the radio call and drove to his location. Bob was

> dead by this time. The ranchers tracked the shooter 8 miles back towards

> Mexico and cornered him in a brushy draw. This was all at night. The

> Sherriff and Border Patrol arrived and told them not to go down and engage

> the murderer. They went around to the back side and if you can believe it

> the assassin managed to get by a BP helicopter and a Sherriff’s posse and

> back to Mexico . So much for professional help when you need it.

> One week before the murder Bob and his brother Phil (who I shoot with)

> hauled a huge quantity of drugs off the ranch that they found in trucks.

> One week before that a rancher near Naco did the same thing. Two nights

> later gangs broke into his ranch house and beat him and his wife and told

> them that if they touched any drugs they found they would come back and

> kill them. The ranchers here deal with cut fences and haul drug deliveries

> off their ranches all the time. What ranchers think is that the drug

> cartels beat the one rancher and shot Bob because they wanted to send a

> message. Bob always gave food and water to illegals and so they think they

> sent the assassin to pose as an illegal who was hungry and thirsty knowing

> it would catch Bob off guard.

> What is going on down here is NOT being reported. You need to tell people

> how bad it is along the border. Texas is worse. Near El Paso it’s in a

> state of war. 5000 people were killed in Ciudad Juarez last year and it’s

> over 2000 so far this year. Gun sales down here are through the roof and I

> get emails from people wanting firearms training.

> Something has to be done but I don’t hold out much hope. These gangs have

> groups in almost every city in the US . Please read below. This is serious

> business. The Barrio Azteca and their sub gangs are like Mexican

> Corporations and organized extremely well. If this doesn’t get dealt with

> down here you guys will deal with it on your streets.

DED

deadeyedick
Saturday, May 1, 2010 10:15:00 AM
Note the above was about the killing a few weeks ago of a rancher in southern AZ and not yesterdays shooting of an officer by 5 suspected smugglers armed with automatic rifles. When they called in copter support to evacuate this officer they also came under fire. This is the kind of **** that is happening daily.

DED

RICKAMAVEN
Saturday, May 1, 2010 10:33:00 AM
2. Author: donutboy2000

that explains why6 mexicans don't try to sneak in to

NORTH KOREA, IRAN, AFGHANISTAN, SAUDI ARABIA, CHINA,

VENEZUELA, or CUBA.

would you?

apachelm
Saturday, May 1, 2010 11:12:00 AM
I wonder if Shakira EVER did ANY interviews about the way other countries handle the people who ILLEGALLY cross over the borders into their countries?
donutboy2000
Saturday, May 1, 2010 11:19:00 AM
America is a racist, arrogant, imperialist country.
8trackdisco
Saturday, May 1, 2010 1:17:00 PM
Illegals should be able to shoot Americans at will. Being they aren't US citizens, they should be able to do whatever they want... (and get free healthcare).
plinytheelder
Saturday, May 1, 2010 6:31:00 PM
And yet, none of you offered any thoughts for the family.... Mine got out to them.

DonutBoy, very nice analogy. People don't use perspective on this entire subject. Its telling how other countries look at immigration, as opposed to the milquetoast way our country does.

iqbal
Saturday, May 1, 2010 9:00:00 PM
myash - sb1070 will not stop the violence assoiated with drug runners and "people pushers". if you think so then you have no clue. we need to enforce the laws on the books already and hold big business acountable and pressure our govt to secure our boarders.

the tragic murder of rancher Bob Krentz and the recent shooting of Deputy Louie Puroll are nothing new....unfortunately it has gotten alot worse and will only escalate if this type of "action" is going to be taken:

....Arizona Sens. John McCain and John Kyl, both Republicans, called Monday’s news conference to announce a 10-point plan to secure the border between Arizona and Mexico. They are requesting the immediate deployment of 3,000 National Guard troops and a permanent increase of 3,000 more Custom and Border Protection Agents along the state’s border by 2015.

2015??? with that time line and the useless law like sb1070 the drug and people cartels will always florish. as long as there is $$$ to be made on dope and people this will not go away.

funny how now here is talk about sending troops to our boarder..............

TMCTLT
Sunday, May 2, 2010 4:10:00 AM
#8 8track, I'm hoping this is a joke on your part!
andytv
Sunday, May 2, 2010 6:26:00 AM
^No....he's dead serious.

8track hates America (just like I do).

Whistlebritches
Sunday, May 2, 2010 8:21:00 AM
Well our wonderful beauracracy in DC does and will enforce stupid laws.Yet we have laws on the books regarding immigration that just flat out get ignored.

I say if it takes 200,000 more border patrol,the National Guard and triple fencing.....the benefits of stopping what's currently going is worth it.

Then deportation goes in high gear...................

Ron

andytv
Sunday, May 2, 2010 8:29:00 AM
^I agree with some of what you said WB.

We HAVE immigration laws on the books. The fact that we use the term "illegal aliens" attests to the fact that it is indeed illegal for non-citizens to just enter this country and start working, using hospitals, etc.

It seems that we are lacking in enforcement..........but enforcement takes a lot of money, and people don't like to pay more taxes (but they WILL gripe the whole way to the casino).

drywalldog
Sunday, May 2, 2010 8:42:00 AM
America is a wonderfull country, I think I will sneak in this weekend, maybe bring a few relatives with me.
donutboy2000
Sunday, May 2, 2010 9:11:00 AM
Are there any drywall jobs available?
Whistlebritches
Sunday, May 2, 2010 9:20:00 AM
^Andy

Do you think enforcement will cost more than what were spending now avoiding it?????

Also there's enough waste that could be trimmed elsewhere to pay for this and then some.

Ron

drywalldog
Sunday, May 2, 2010 9:25:00 AM
Donutboy, I will tell you when I get there, hope they speaka my language, they better.
andytv
Sunday, May 2, 2010 9:36:00 AM
#17.......I don't know.

I do know that we aren't enforcing current laws effectively so I am making the assumption that it is a monetary issue. Common sense dictates that this problem should be a PRIORITY and that support and resources should be allocated........but implementing common sense is a hopelessly slow and rare process.

Whistlebritches
Sunday, May 2, 2010 9:43:00 AM
AndyTV said

"but implementing common sense is a hopelessly slow and rare process."

Amen Brother......no truer words have ever been spoken.

Especially with the new circus(read congress) in town.

Ron