Bitter isn't the most insightful description of Ricks foolish diatribe. "Unoriginal" is perhaps more precise when discussing the perceived wit (or lack thereof) of our President. "Sophomoric" would best suit the cry of past indescretions such as alcohol and other drugs. And lastly, "Paranoid" is the acurate term when someone bemoans the conspiracy by the Feds to indoctrinate the current Commander in Chief. When you compare yourself to dead people in the future, please realize that you may be comparing political common sense rather than demeanor.

tailgater----when you "compare yourself to dead people in the future" i loved that show. i don't mean back to the future, i mean quantum leap. i have a copy of "the journey home."---you know, the one where he goes back to win the high school basketball game and tries to save his brother from going to vietnam. when he sings imagine to his sister and she realizes the song won't be written for years, and she realizes he is from the future, when she cries, i cry also.

Sniff,Sniff!!!

Rick, not the same the Trumpet vine is a vine that climbs walls, trellis, etc....much like a mandevilla and has beautiful purple/blue flowers on it shaped like a trumpet! Charlie

char5353:----if one of my hybrid passionflower cuttings takes off, i'll get it to you

Quantum Leap. Scott Bakulas best role(s) ever.

tailgator: we agree on something? what is this world coming to? do you want a copy of that show, email me you address and i will send you a dup. ---------- [email protected]

RICKAMAVEN and tailgator in agreement? What's next Pakistan and India in agreement, JonR smoking lone wolfs, sooombooody slapp me!

Tailgater bidding on Tamborils will be next! God help us! All this peace and tranquillity (spelled wrong)! It is getting downright wonderful. Let's all sing "Kumbaya My Lord" and pass around a "j"! Charlie

I dont think that he straight up knew and did nothing about it. They obviously thought it was a false alarm like the 9000 other false alarms and inaccurate info they hear every single day. This time it was true. It slipped through. Do you really think the guy would just let that happen if he thought it was a viable threat?? C'mon.

The agencies that get the info probably couldnt get it all together to report on it fast enough anyway. Honestly, if you think that the president has any real say in this kind of intelligence, you must be a very naive person. If you think that one man has the power to pull every string in this country, you must be very naive. If you think that a president makes any of his decisions without being told what to do first, you must be very naive. If you think that a president could have prevented any of this terrorist action from happening, you must be very naive. By now you should realize that we are at war every single day and have been for the past 40 years. There are mind blowing things going on every day even in peace time that keep this country safe.

After all that time, you honestly want to hang the people that have kept you free and safe for all that time because they slipped up once?

Your a*s has been safe for everyday before 9/11 and after it because of them. why dont you get educated and maybe have some respect for the people that give their lives eveyday so you can sit home, eat cheeseburgers, blow out the candles on your wifes birthday cake and smoke cigars. Seriously, why dont you find solutions to the problem instead of complaining about it.

That was for all the people that have been complaining about how our agencies here have been doing a crappy job. If they did a crappy job, this country would have been speaking other languages years ago.

Now we have Al "He's a Loser" Gore having the nerve to even begin and question George W Bush on anything, let alone how we are handling the "War"! He and that little elf are starting to act like they are going to run again..........good! We will beat them again! Charlie

My tendency is to let people have their point of view even when it is not the same as mine, except when i perceive that my point of view will not be treated as valid. Rick, it must be nice to know that you have not ever made a mistake in your life and gotten caught (like getting drunk or taking cookies from your mom's cookie jar). This does not make a bad person, just points to the human qualities we all pocess. I don't see how any of that relates to what our elected president has done both before 9/11 or more importantly, after. Now that we know a little about your medical history, blood pressure and all, why don't you share some of your psych history, what meds are you're on, and why you stopped taking them.

That is what we call "old school" or even better, a shot! What medications and why---beautiful!!!! Charlie

Hey guys... I'm new here and I'm probably gonna be shot for posting my first in a political arena but.... I agree with Rick. I'm way off left, out there by the bayou where Rick sits. I think Bush won only because of a Supreme Court too old, too lazy and too tired to sit and argue this one. Plus the money the Bush's throw around made sure of it never going anywhere.

The Bushettes are just two stupid kids that learned what to do from Daddy's little drunken tirades. The pressures on. So what should we do tonight? I know, let's get hammered! just like dear old dad.

I think Bush does deserve a little credit for managing to pull together a colilition in 26 days for 9/11, but other than that, the man has done nothing to better the country. His entire career is going to ride on getting Saddam, Bin Laden and the US will go to sh#$ because he has to live up to daddy's will.

So um, other than that. Hi, I'm Smokin'Tone, and I'll be the new guy in the back smoking the BTL's.

Smokin', it was bad enough having to listen to one guy talking about the election being rigged and Bush being "given" something by the courts, but TWO is TOO many ... I'm no geezer, despite having been called one in this forum, and I damn sure remember quite clearly both HOW the Electoral College works and WHY it was established ... Bush's ELECTION to the presidency was not the first where a candidate won the most electoral votes, in spite of receiving a lesser number of votes from the general population ... the court decision applied to recounting in Florida and the cut off of recounting in Florida did NOT alter the outcome of ANY recount ... it had been recounted numerous times with the results of the election held in limbo for far past the point that any reasonable person could've asked, with ONLY the very UNreasonable Dems who just couldn't accept Bush clamoring for more and more recounts ... and you guys seem to ignore the fact that EVERY recount that was done, even a year after the inauguration STILL did not show clueless Al to have 'won' in Florida ... exactly what the hell it will take to make that understood by one and all is beyond my comprehension ...

more importantly and more directly to the point, however, is the fact that Bush has handled the post-9/11 situation FAR better than any among us could have hoped possible from a president of EITHER party, based on the history that has transpired during the lifetimes of any among us in this forum ...

I am SO completely and utterly sick and tired of the whining of the goofy liberals in this country who talk and act as if the US were wrong to be taking action against the terrorists ... I live near SF and am sickened on not only a daily, but hourly basis by idiotic clamoring for "Peace Now" and "Stop the War" ... just what the f**k do they expect? They and any and all others of this mentality do not deserve what this country affords them ... it makes me absolutely SICK to realize that my son whose term of service in the Navy Special Services recently ended, was putting his life on the line for idiots of that stripe as well as for sane people ... and if you see "they" as including you, my apologies for a 'welcome' of this sort, but then it is more heartfelt in me than anything else in the world ...

Once again, well said Steve. I too am soooooo sick of left wing pandering about waging war and all that goes with it. People, WE WERE ATTACKED, what the hell are we supposed to do. Our country has done too much to insure the wonderful way of life we enjoy, we have fought too many battles and lost too many of our fathers and brothers to sit back and let this happen. Wether or not you like George W he is our president and is moving forward in a way he feels is best for the whole country, not just to please a group of sniveling, whining fools who want to know "why this" or "why that". We are at war, PC be damned. Don't tell me we can't treat Taliban prisoners as criminals (we interned thousands of Japanese during WWII, no outcry there). Don't tell me we can't attack Saddam, if he is part of the problem he needs to go and don't tell me or my children that we cannot say that our country is under God...because it is.
God Bless America

Well, I may be liberal, but I'm far from an idiot, or stupid as you put it. I lost 15, count them. 15 people in the towers that day (4 cousins and 11 friends and almost my girlfriend). I worked 8 blocks from there and heard the planes hit. I lost my job because of the terrorist acts.
I am in no way, shape or form one of the ones out there against this 'war' (which in case anyone noticed was never passed by Congress, which by Federal law must be done. But that's something else that people seem to forget). I have 2 members of family over there bombing the **** out of Bin Laden.
So before you think I'm 'another one of THEM', I'm not. I disagree with Bush, I always get into arguments about the electoral college (why bother holding 'democratic elections, when it all comes down to who owns what state for the points?), but I'm always up for some decent conversation, not personal attacks. Politics is a pretty hot topic, but shouldn't ever go into a personal attack.
Thanks for welcoming me, but don't just attack a guy because he says what he thinks. If you want to know the truth of the whole thing, I like to hear what other people have to say and what they think. That's what the country was created with, intellegence, not ignorance.

In response to the original post/thread by Rick..."i believe he is a low life, awol, drug brained, idiot, who has been pampered and protected all his life."

Yeah, but he's MY low life, awol, drug brained, idiot, who has been pampered and protected all his life! I absolutely cast my vote for him...and will again if given the chance!

MY alternative was several other low life, awol, drug brained, idiots, who have been pampered and protected all their lives and whom have total disregard for my views.

At least the people who voted Bush in Florida knew which hole to punch....hmmmm....

Is it me, or is Flori-duh just a total AARP Hell....I dunno, maybe you can blame it on the Alzheimer's that is prevelent there. That many retarded people couldn't possibly have congregated in one state!

As for the comment "BUT I CAN'T BELIEVE HE KNEW ABOUT THE TRAGEDY COMING AND LOOKED THE OTHER WAY. NO ONE COULD POSSIBLY THAT EVIL."...He did NOT look the other way. The people/entities that DID look the other way were: back in '95 - Slick Willy, and leading up to 9/11: the CIA, the FBI, the FAA, Immigration, and numerous others along the way...Bush found out too little too late. In fact, a person that I have little regard for was one of the biggest trumpet sounders...Barbara Boxer. So you see, HE was not that evil...it was in the hands of hundreds before him that kept it away from him until too late...you're only as good as the information you have at hand...God bless the victims and their families, they need our support, not our hindsight...

Smokey, if intelligence is in your bag of tricks, why can't you understand that Bush won the election? Just because you wanted somebody else to win doesn't mean that the election was fixed by the courts. As mentioned, ALL recounts show Bush to beat Gore in FLA. Let me say that again for those who can't grasp that. ALL RECOUNTS show Bush as the victor.