why are so many people upset about the threat of taking this phrase out of our pledge? I don't believe that we as a country are a country under God (If we were than our country would not be wanting to reject His name). I think that our country has ran out from "under God".

This is by far not the only false statement in our pledge. How about instead of teaching America's kids to chant the pledge of allegence before they go eat lunch, their parents show them what the pledge means.

"Indivisable"....are you even serious? We are as devided as we could possibly be. This statement should read "a country that can not be devided by any other country", and I would take that as a true statement. Yet we stand today devided as any country has ever been, and we stand today a country who has devided themselves.

But let's make our children memorize this pledge that we care so much about. Maybe when they do they can teach it to us.

Country

sorry for the rant. I guess I needed someone to rant to and this board is always open. I respect everyone of your opinions on this subject, regardless if it is how I see things or not.

Country

country,

should this suprise you?

"in the last days perilous times shall come...."

this is only proving what we know is the truth and what is prophesied.

Gerilynn

PS. i must send you a list of the last 10 years of natural disasters and us/jews relations......

It's not the mere fact that people want to change our Pledge.

It's the motivation behind it.

Offended? Give me a break.

Like I tell my kids, don't say "I'm starving". They are simply "hungry". They are fortunate enough to have never known what it is to starve.

These bleeding heart liberals don't know what it is to be truly offended, and persecuted for their religious beliefs.

"Under God". Offensive?

Somebody has got to slap these pieces of crap.

I inpart agree with tailgater. Many in this country don't know what it is to be persecuted. discriminated agianst, sure. Even then it is nothing like it used to be save for a few back country areas. We as a people have become soft. Being PC just hides ones predjudice rather that changes it. It is harder to identify your enemies.

Lance

these people make me sick..

i am offended at them....should i sue them? i am offended at the gays trying to force me to teach my children it is ok, can i sue them?

bla bla bla i think the worst thing that has ever happened to this country is the ACLU. they are trying to FORCE everyone to see things like THEY want us to.

they want to TELL US what is right and wrong, because they are OFFENDED at others beliefs.............

I don't know Country but when I was growing up (I'm only 44 BTW) the Pledge of Allegiance and the Star Spangled Banner actually meant something to me. Me and many others here I'm sure, hell I still get goose bumps and **** when the SSB is played during sporting events. Sadly this is just not the case anymore which is why I also believe it is just a bunch of **** disturbers that want to change it. It really has absolutely nothing to do with "under God".

JJ

Country,

I totally understand your point, but people that wanna bastardize the pledge should be drug out in the street and shot.

mrs18delta

sorry to disagree. the aclu sues when people are discriminated against because of what or who they are.

if they were around in the early years of this country, there might not have been slavery or burning witches at the stake.

what you teach your children about gays or any other groupd is entirely your business. the aclu is not interested in your viewpoint, unless it infringes on someone else's.

try painting you house red, purple, and black and see what your neighbors do.

I think the best part of me learning the pledge as a little snot monkey was later learning what it meant, usually one word at a time.

It's true, our nation is no longer under God, so it probably should be taken out of the pledge for factual reasons. But that's ok, it's only a country. The same thing that ruined this one has ruined all the others too. People are soft and liberals exist.

There are no lines drawn anymore, they come with all sorts of differentiations so nobody has to say what they really mean.

The whole "I support the troops but not the war" is a line of sh*t and a way to hide behind a PCism. If you support the troops, you support the soldier (ok, toad, squid, zoomy or jarhead), which means you support their decision to join the military. Their decision to join the military included their conscious decision to agree that they would do what the President at the time says, which, being the military, will most likely include killing people and blowing stuff up.

So, if you support the troops then you support the war, it was their decision to sign up and agree to kill people and blow things up if told to do so. There was nothing that said they reserve the right to decide whether they actually want to do that or not.

I support the police but I don't support them arresting criminals or issuing tickets.

I support lawyers, but they shouldn't be allowed in court rooms.

I support smoking bans, but they shouldn't be used against smokers, that's discrimination, where's the ACLU (American Communist Lawyer's Union).

What was America's very heart and core was best stated by Archibald Macleish who said "There are those who will reply that the liberation of humanity, the freedom of man and mind, is nothing but a dream...They are right, it is the American Dream." That is no longer true, and it's very sad. It's also very sad to realize when something you loved is no longer worth it.

I think Thomas Jefferson said it the best

"Can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are a gift of God? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that His justice cannot sleep forever."

Yikes...how'd that soap box get under my feet?

Well Said Gerilynn!

Rick, F*ck the ACLU... I called them less then a month ago when myself and my Son's Rights were trampled on by a circuit court Judge and they told me "Quote" We don't get involved in these type matters??? Excuse Me??

the ACLU can go F*ck themselves.. I handled the situation without them!

Hog

I think Thomas Jefferson said it best when he said" I love having slaves do my work for me" lol.

"Country,

I totally understand your point, but people that wanna bastardize the pledge should be drug out in the street and shot."

I am a really good shot... can I volunteer?

I'm just tired of people that do or don't believe in one thing or another, so that have to change everything to satisfy their beliefs. I don't believe whatever, so you can't say it publicly cause I don't want to hear it. What the heck? I think it's time for some people to get a life and worry about things that matter in life. Not change everyone else's to match their wants.

Another good one

http://www.homeofheroes.com/hallofheroes/1st_floor/flag/1bfc_pledge.html 

If you were to take the dishonesty out of the pledge, there would be no pledge.

I recited the pledge, and learned it's meaning, long ago. I believe in what it stands for, but unfortunately our government doesn't. I see injustice every day. There is no justice in this country. If a poor person, is caught stealing, he doesn't get to keep the spoiles of his theft. He goes to jail, and the proceeds of his theft is confiscated. If Kenneth Lay steals millions, he may go to jail, but the millions are still in his families posession. They still enjoy the wealth, of his illgotten goods. Therefore the pledge should read. One Nation, with justice for all, if you can afford it. If you can't screw you."

Yes I live in the bible belt, and I have been a victim of religous persecution. Though I am a christian myself, I have had a cross burned in my yard, and was forced to move because my girlfriend was a druid. When I called the sherrifs office with the complaint, they wouldn't even come fill out a report. I lived next door to a deputy, and it was his son that set fire to my clothesline pole, in the shape of a cross. He also shot my dog, and threw paint thinner, all over my jeep, and my girlfriends brand new car. I saw him do it, but it was my word against his. So of course, he was never brought to justice. Luckily the sherrif was defeated in the next election, and I was able to move back into my home. Christianity, is not the only religion in the USA. Though many would like it to be so, this isn't the case. So lets see. If we took the dishonesty out of the pledge, this would be what was left. " I pledge allegiance to the flag, and the republic for which it stands." And even then there is some distortion of truth. Do you really have an allegiance to your country????? When you make a buisness decision, do you first ask yourself "Will this decision benefit my country, or just myself???" If not you probably do not have a true allegiance. The men and women who serve in the military, are probably the only citizens who actually have a true allegiance to our country. The rest of the country is out for themselves.

Later

Dave (A.K.A. Homebrew)

Huh?

You were on the losing end of the Sheriff's brat kid and therefore the Pledge and our Country is disingenious?

That's quite an interpretation, homey.

Time to brew up a batch and enjoy a good smoke.

Because if the same liberals who want to change our Pledge get their way, then you won't be able to even smoke your cigars at home.

"hell I still get goose bumps and ****** when the SSB is played during sporting events."

Man, I feel sorry for the people sitting next to you at a baseball game JJ. LMAO!!!!

It is hard to listen to the Star Spangled Banner withoout getting those goosebumps or a tear in your eye!

Charlie