I showed Rick how to do this ...

Even today, Rick!

Why don't you use today to put aside your bull**** political beliefs and do something useful! Go feed your birds or take a walk.

Today is a day like Dec. 7th. A day of rememberance, a day of mourning. It's not right to show the world how uncouth you are with your astounding 20-20 hindsight vision. You don't even take the time to do your own research. You blindly take this spoonfed garbage as truth and espouse it, spitshine it up and parade it around for us to look at like it's the neatest thing since sliced bread!

Do everyone(with a brain!)a favor. Grow up or shut up!

DrMaddVibe
you probably liked my "not my usual post" because you don't have to use your brain. you can just sit in the corner and weep and believe all the **** flying around. i posted two completely different approaches about today.
why did you only get pissed at the one that you disagree with?
i didn't see anybody bitch about the first one. i didn't even see a response from you and i know you followed the link.
a person can look at both and find they are not in conflict. apparently you can only see one side. lucky for you, you never have to resolve anything.
what the hell do you wan't me to do to research, go to george and ask him directly? research is looking for information from sources that may or may not be reliable, so i research both sides.
i'll bet you do not believe darwin and think the world was made in 6 24 hours days.

Become coherant! Your rambling isn't amusing.

Thinking that requires thought often means that you MUST look at ALL sides. History repeats itself, and could be used as a "measuring stick". Taking what the "talking heads" ramble on about on your evening news isn't research. It's regurgitated bias.

It's become quite apparent that you won't shut up, so do us a favor and grow up! You childish rants aren't amusing on a day such as today.

rick,
thanks for the site link, very interesting...

I do not follow politics, nor do I believe in them but I gotta say Rick....your post is not only paranoid and BS but truely uncalled for today.

Who gives a **** about what GWB was doing or saying, he had nothing to do with Sept 11, 2001 nor could he have prevented it. To think otherwise is a waste of time.

Think about the people that lost there lives and don't post stupid political links.

Sorry Rick, I just watched a group of 200 people stand in front of our office, facing NYC and saluting for 10 minutes of silence. Your post was not the right time for me.

Inappropriate ...

It sucks!!!

WTF you've truly outdone yourself Rick.

Good on you Rick, everyone needs to open their eyes and see everything, then make their own judgement. DrMaddVibe has blinders on and only sees what he wants. Rick you're a breath of fresh air, don't stop what you're doing.

Ok...like as I posted before, I try to stay out of these sort of discussions, because my opinions are usually shunned by the majority...But, 'nor could he have prevented'??

Could he have prevented it that day? Absolutely not. Could this whole situation have been avoided with the proper actions taken (not that day...weeks, years, decades ago)? Absolutely.

I will leave my thoughts at that because this is neither the time nor the place for discussing America's security policies.

Remember, and for everyones sake, LEARN.

Oh..and as for the site that Rick posted...An interesting perspective...Here's a question to go along with that..How long has the American government ignored the fact that an attack on our soil was inevitable?

With love and respect for the flag, and those who carry it,

Andrew 'Bullwinkle' Leicht

Bullwinkle, what makes you think that the American Government has "ignored" the threat?
It's like officials in the NFL, you only notice them when they miss a call. Our government body and the Military Branch in particular oversees our safety each and every day. The fact that this is the first major attack from outside sources on our contiguous soil speaks volumes to their success.

I mean absolutely no disrepect to the United States Millitary of it's intelligence services..I believe this series of quotes best says it:

'One quarter of the nations of the world are at war'-Casper Weinberger (SecDef in mid 80s)

In response, Lord Chalfont 'The Western democracies are still not aware of it as warfare against them.'

Oops...hit send too early...In saying that they have ignored the threat, I suppose mispoke. I guess what I meant to say was that they didn't take it seriously enough to take more extensive meassures. I understand your analogy to the NFL officials, and, indeed, I have lived overseas for a large portion of my life, and have seen the active efforts; however, I have also seen where the efforts are/have been lacking, and this was a thought of mine way before the first (major) attack actually struck US...It has also been the topic of heated debate for the past few decades, and the American efforts (or lack thereof) have often been the object of ridicule internationally (on the contrary, certain actions/practices have been looked upon with praise internationaly).

I don't want to sound like the proverbial armchair quarterback, as I cannot even begin to fathom the strain and pressures upon a government to protect it's society, however, I do feel that more should have been done, long ago. That is only my opinion, which, the right to have has been guaranteed me by the men and women that serve this and other countries.
AL

bud451: ONLY THE CAMMANDER IN CHIEF HAS THE AUTHORITY TO SHOOT DOWN A PASSENGER PLANE THAT HAS BEEN HIJACKED. A LEADER DOES NOT SIT ON HIS ASS AND WAIT FOR THE SECOND AND THIRD DISASTER AND DO NOTHING.
that's why we "gives a **** about what GWB was doing or saying."

GONE2P
make sure you wash your hands before you go2p. you don't know where yours hands have been and what they touched. not necessary to wash afterwood, you know where your hands have been then. (think about it)

i will continue to be a catalyst. it is my calling

Rick, you certainly put a lot of faith in a web site designed by someone you don't know. I don't for one moment believe that time-line. I've seen the footage of Bush getting briefed about the attack. He is genuinely surprised and is wisked away immediately. I don't know the exact time, but it was definately the first he knew of the crashes and possible terrorist activity.
But the big questions are:
WHY do you think he would ignore the danger?
WHAT could possibly be gained?
WHERE is your conspiracy theory heading?
Do your neighbors know about your paranoia?
Are those humming birds or tiny spy planes?

LOL...tiny spy planes? Dammit, those lil bastards are in my backyard too...

As a student (and hopefully, very soon a teacher) of history, I've learned to study *everything* that you have available to you, no matter how ridiculous/incredulous/impossible/whatever it seems, and not to discount it until you can prove otherwise. I'm not saying I agree or don't disagree with the site, I'm just saying that it should be looked at and studied, just for the sake of thouroughness, as should everything. Maybe part of it is correct, maybe all of it is correct, maybe none of it is correct, but the point is you won't know unless you accept it as a source, and the prove or disprove it from there.

tailgater
But the big questions are:
WHY do you think he would ignore the danger?
that was my question. why do you think?

WHAT could possibly be gained?
nothing, so why wait to respond. what do you think?

WHERE is your conspiracy theory heading?
i don't believe any one in the adminstration had any knowledge about or were part of a conspiracy. so why did he do nothing? do you believe in a conspiracy theory?

Do your neighbors know about your paranoia?
only my friends. the ones who talk to flowers and trees and wave back at the tv set.

Are those humming birds or tiny spy planes?
tomorrow i will look. i alwaYS wondered why they flew in front of my face and i hear this little tiny voice say "smile, your on candid camera."