I'll say it once more.

To believe that ANYONE could have stopped ANY of the attacks on September 11, 2001 is foolish.

Keep searching the www Rick, you'll find anything about everything that you want to believe.

I'll be morning the horror.

I have often heard that President Roosevelt had prior knowledge of the attack on Pearl Harbor and saw it as an opportunity for America to enter the war. As the story goes he knew we would become involved anyhow and the economy was still in depression mode.
I have alway had a hard time believing that story and I have an even harder time believing that GWB knew anything was going to happen on Sept 11, 2001.
Shoot down a passenger plane, sit on his ass, not do anything. What the hell are you talking about. The events happened in a short time frame, no one knew what was happening in New York was happening in Washington was happening in Penn almost simultaneously. By the time the pieces were connected there were no such decisions to be made, just pieces to pick up.
Our leaders are our leaders. Whether you voted for them or not, whether you believe in them or not, whether you care for their politics or not they are our leaders and we must stand behind them, especially when we are at war. If you can't see that then you are not trying very hard to do so and though your lack of effort you will be no friend of mine.

Hey Sammy, there is are several great books that have been written on the whole Pearl Harbor thing, and there is a small, but growing group of historians that believe it too be true. If you're interested, drop me an email, and I'll give you the names of some authors...

due to the recent discovery of a japanese mini sub off of pearl harbor, it is now believed that the japanese suffered the first casualties of the war in the pacific. which would mean that we fired the first shot(s)...

honestly Rick, I'm curious why that site was even made.
It would be understandable if there were a rhyme or reason to let the attacks happen, as could have been the case with Roosevelt.
But to imply that he did nothing for no reason? I just don't get it.

CJ, there were casualties even before that...Several times the Japanese shelled West coast refinaries in late 1939, early 1940...Of course they were not any sort of major actions, and were heavily covered up, so as not to induce chaos...

Here is a useless fact for you (might as well while we are stealing this thread 😎 The first Japanese citizen killed (allegedly) during Dolittles raids was an elephant in the zoo...

bullwinkle
been there, done that

bud451
i did not say bush could have stopped the attacks, i mearly posed the question, why did he sit on his ass and do nothing for 20 minutes or so. his answer was "i didn't want to scare the children" if that is his accurate quote, we know that is BS>

CJBully
if that is true about the sub, the sub had no business beimng that close to pearl harbor.

my response to tailgator was a few questions. does any one have any answers, or is the only answer that i am a vagabond surfer, only paranoid,one who should "Become coherant! Your rambling isn't amusing",
"how uncouth you are", "Thinking that requires thought often means that you MUST look at ALL sides", no wonder you like bush, you talk like him, "Taking what the "talking heads" ramble on about on your evening news isn't research. It's regurgitated bias.", i only listen to o'reilly when the comedy channel doesn't have anything funny on at the moment, one who is guilty of "You childish rants," "Inappropriate", perhaps.

i never said bush knew about attacks before they happened, i asked some questions and got no answers. only the above personal attacks. what does that say about the attackers?

tailgater
i am very interested in your "It would be understandable if there were a rhyme or reason to let the attacks happen, as could have been the case with Roosevelt."
where are you going with that.

Lets set something straight. Each of those "attacks" as you call them came from folks other than myself. As for my comment, I am simply asking where YOU are going with the original thread.
WHY would you post something that has no relvance?
WHY would anyone suggest that Bush and his cronies did nothing, when there is NO VALUE to ignoring a terrorist attack.
If there were an ulterior motive then the video would make sense. There isn't, and it doesn't.

tailgater

i never meant to imply they came from you. i can't remember what you may have called me if you called me by anything but my name. i apoligize for the implication.

the purpose of the video is to show the man's inability to react to a crises. he should have left dust behind and someone to tell the class the president has an important meeting, but he will be back to talk to you all. he should have been in contact with the militery, "scramble the jets and make sure they are armed." "alert our overseas posts". "do this. do that. get me ---" "let's move it." but as the video shows he was inactive.

From what I've heard on multiple programs the other day about what was going on in the early hours.I've come to conclusion that your so called video is 1st of all horse sh*t,2nd of all it's still Horse Sh*t!

I'm actually begining to wonder wether or not you've ever had an original thought of your own in the last year or more. I'm affraid that surfing the net from 1:00 AM till 6:00 AM every night,looking for BS articles to somehow discredit GW is rotting your brain.

You need help Rick,at the very least I think you need medication! Jimbo

if i started to post my original, gut feeling instead of inellegently written articles, by people more gifted then i at the art of writing, all hell wouild break lose.

did any body read "the pipes" by breslin or "lost souls" by pete hammil, or were you afraid it might be some left wing popycock? they are well written and deal with, "f" it, read them or don't.

as far as medication here is the list of my meds as given to me by the VA because of my military service.
MORNING
NIFEDIPINE (PROCARDIA) 60 MG
SERTRALINE (ZOLOFT) 150 MG
METFORMAN HCL(GLUCK) 1000 MG
GLIPIZIDE 2.5 MG

EVENING
ATENOLOL 25 MG
METFORMAN HCL(GLUCK) 500 MG
CLOPIDOGREL (PLAVIX) 75 MG
GLIPIZIDE 2.5 MG
ECOTRIN 90 MG
nitro
the folic acid, the vit e, the vit c, the multi vit, the nitro-bid, and the diazepam, i pay for myself.

What did the VA diagnose you with? Looks like to me (by the medicine and dosage)that you've got diabetes,high blood pressure and perhaps migraine headaches or depression.

You might want to try into the Atkins Diet. It'll work wonders for your diabetes. Look into it. Of course talk to your doctor before starting an exercise or diet program.

Everyone,
I just read through this string and am left with a hollow feeling concerning the animosity displayed here...?
Please try to remember that the United States is a free country. Everyone is free to say, and think, what they believe. Without fear of reprisal from anyone!

Thanks to Rick for his opinion, and service to country.
(if he gets med's from the VA he earned the entitlement)
Thanks to all of you for the passion in your defense of our President. It's part of what makes the U.S. strong.
And "Thank God!" (or was it Darwin?) that I was born an American.

tsmith283

i don't think i have seen any post from you before. welcome to transylvania

this board tends to get rowdy. i like to start things off, if i can.

was darwin a cruise ship your folks were on that docked in US waters just a minute before you were born?

strangely enough, some of the meanest rottenest responses i get are from guys i trade cigars with and email just to chat.

Rickamaven,

Thanks for the welcome. Rather chilly here in Translvania.
Rowdy is fine by me though. In fact, I made the Darwin comment based on something I read earlier in this string as a way of "starting things off."

tsmith283

you will find more creationists here than those that accept darwin's findings. in spite of our vestige tail, they refuse to accept the fact that man and apes have evolved from something similar to a cross between man and apes.

i didn't need darwin for that, just look at some of us. as we evolve towards Nietzsche's suggestions about our future, many will be washed away in the gene pool.

remember, we roll up dead leaves, set one end on fire, and suck the smoke into our mouths. what will we do next?