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DadZilla3
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15 years ago

#21

I don't know, I think the rich would have the most to lose with your tax system, they couldn't get around paying taxes. Can you imagine the sales tax on a luxury car or boat. At 10% it would be more than anyone in the lower class earns all year.

drywalldog wrote:

I've never bought into the class warfare thing. The way I see it everyone would make out under a flat national sales tax system. Everyone that is, but the legislators who are able to manipulate the tax code in order to pander to their various special interests.

I like a flat national sales tax most because no matter how you make your money, you're gonna pay your taxes. No more shelters, write-offs, or tax dodges. And even if you make your money turning tricks or selling crack, you're eventually gonna have to buy something and thereby pay your taxes.

In order to spare our oppressed starving downtrodden exploited poor in America, we can make food exempt from the national sales tax although from the looks of the folks over at the local projects, living generation to generation on Welfare ain't too bad a gig.

gringococolo
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15 years ago

#22

Flat consumption tax would (or could) be closer to 20%. Add that to your local sales tax and you could be paying %30 in some areas. I like the idea, but implementation is a problem also.

When I add up all the sales and federal taxes I pay under the current system, it is not 20% of my income. I also save close to 20% of my income.

Example 100k income, which 50% in consumable (flat tax goods). 20% of 50k = 10K in taxes. That is less than a person that makes 100k a year pays right now. I don't see the math at 15% flat tax working.

But I am not an economist.

I do like the idea of everyone paying a fair share (equal percentage).

dpnewell
Herf-A-Holic

15 years ago

#23

^gringoco,
A flat sales tax would work, and here's why. My daughter and SIL have 7 kids. Under last year's tax code, they would have to have an income of over $65k before they paid a penny in Federal Income Tax. Since my SIL made under $30k last year, not only did he get every penny of withholding back, but an additional child care/earned income credit of just over $8k. Times that by millions of folk who not only don't pay a penny in FIT, but get thousands of other folk's tax dollars given to them. If the working poor where not given these billions of dollars in handouts each year, we could balance the budget without any tax increases. A flat sales tax in the 15% range would also work, once the handouts are stopped, but it would devastate the working poor (like me, lol).

Stinkdyr
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15 years ago

#24

End welfare breeding.

You will be amazed at how many of our country's ills that will cure.

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dsmokers
Aficionado

15 years ago

#25

How much do you guys get paid to waste time trying to sort out the country's economic problems? Hug your kids instead. It's free and fun.

borndead1
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15 years ago

#26

How much do you guys get paid to waste time trying to sort out the country's economic problems? Hug your kids instead. It's free and fun.

dsmokers wrote:

I don't have any kids. So I will argue politics with these asshats instead.

The thing with creating any real change is that not enough people are willing to harrass their representatives into actually CHANGING anything. If a couple of dozen of us posters called our representatives and voiced our desire for a flat sales tax, cutting welfare, whatever, we would get brushed off. But if a few hundred thousand people did it, they might actually listen.

DadZilla3
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15 years ago

#27

borndead1 wrote:

You're exactly right. Except for the asshats part. But I digress.

The fact that we're all here arguing our viewpoints and expressing our opinions about some important issues shows that we are indeed paying attention, and thinking things through instead of believing every line of bullsh*t pablum that the government and mass media channels ladles out. That is step one. Step two is very important...call, write, email, or visit in person your representatives starting with the local commissioners or what have you.

Unless they hear from us, they'll assume they're doing the right thing. Which in my opinion at least, they mostly aren't.

Edited by user 15 years ago | Reason: Not specified

dsmokers
Aficionado

15 years ago

#28

I agree, we should all get together and march down to the....hey look, there's a bright shiny thing on tv!

jpotts
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15 years ago

#29

I agree, we should all get together and march down to the....hey look, there's a bright shiny thing on tv!

dsmokers wrote:

It must be that amorphous Fox News bling, of which you are so fond.

jpotts
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15 years ago

#30

borndead1 wrote:

A few hundred thousand went absoluetly apesh*t over health care "reform," and it got passed anyways.

A few hundred thousand went absoluetly apesh*t over amnesty for illegal aliens yet, and that has yet to have a stake driven through its heart.

A few hundred thousand went absoluetly apesh*t over out-of-control government spending (which, make no mistake, 2008's Democrat turnover was about deficit spending), and they keep spending like drunken sailors.

Pardon me if I'm a tad pessimistic about what it takes to get elected representitives to listen. My opinion is that until you start physically throwing out the members of Congress that have more than two terms under their belt (regardless of party affiliation), you're going to get a legislature that is controlled by ensconced interests whose main ideology is the historical failure known as Socialism.

borndead1
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15 years ago

#31

I shoulda been more clear. I meant a couple of hundred thousand PER STATE...imagine Pelosi getting 1,000 letters a day for weeks on end...imagine if 100,000 of us here in MI all sent letters (via UPS) on the same day...but then again you are right, Potts. Pelosi did get re-elected. Fraud? Or are people really that stupid...I will continue to vote 3rd party even though it seems pointless. But I try to think of it as planting a seed and hoping that it sprouts.

donutboy2000
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15 years ago

#32

jpotts 1,468

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tailgater
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15 years ago

#33

I agree, we should all get together and march down to the....hey look, there's a bright shiny thing on tv!

dsmokers wrote:

Now THAT'S a funny post!

tailgater
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15 years ago

#34

And guys, please, please, please, PLEASE:

NEVER speak of ideas such as a federal sales tax.
Those in Washington may like the idea.

And then institute it IN ADDITION to our current taxes.

DadZilla3
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15 years ago

#35

I agree, we should all get together and march down to the....hey look, there's a bright shiny thing on tv!

dsmokers wrote:

That happens no doubt, but not nearly as much as 'I agree we should all get together and march down to the city hall today but I've got to get to work'...

dsmokers
Aficionado

15 years ago

#36

Funny how that work thing always seems to get in the way of change. Technology has created longer days for most of us, and now, like most of the world that is owned by the large corporations, our people, like many much less advanced country's peoples are working harder and harder for less and less. Less pay, benefits, travel perks, whatever. Just harder and harder trying to buy buy buy. Consumers thinking they can buy themselves into happiness. After all, everyone on the tv commercials seems to be having so much fun with the fancy stuff they just bought.

Meanwhile half of US housewives watch a show called Desperate Housewives.

daveincincy
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15 years ago

#37

dsmokers wrote:

CHASE what matters...

Drywalldog, you should seriously consider something else to exhaust your thoughts on rather than the rich people you despise. All that hate is going to eat you up.

uncleb
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15 years ago

#38

JPOTTS is an IDIOT

donutboy2000
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15 years ago

#39

JPOTTS is an IDIOT

uncleb wrote:

12. Author: pacman357 Date: 09/11/2009 03:06 AM Reply
It is the folly of the weak-minded, when attempting to engage in debate he would have us believe is somehow intelligent, rational and logic, to simply fall back on name calling, without respect to whether there is any sense at all in trying to label another person. As though applying a moniker on someone else makes it so.

Name-calling has failed to be persuasive as a recognized debate ever since "I’m rubber, and you’re glue" was first coined. It is childishness and idiocy, attempting to masquerade as fact and reason.

donutboy2000
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15 years ago

#40

CHASE what matters...

Drywalldog, you should seriously consider something else to exhaust your thoughts on rather than the rich people you despise. All that hate is going to eat you up.

daveincincy wrote:

Just look what it did to rick !

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