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ZRX1200
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15 years ago

#41

^ then you are falling for lib sales pitch. By that I mean look at the cost of education (separating actual dollars in classroom and pay/benefits). Many states (one of the worst here in Oregon) with the cost of health/retirement costs, and they are way outta wack with the private sector. Common argument here is "we sacrifice pay for bennies". Well ok, their median base pay is within 1K of average but bennies are 15-20k higher. Average in Oregon is like 32K they're around 55. Its just not "sustainable" to barrow terminology....Our incoming governor was the gov when the current collective bargaining contract was signed. Guaranteed 8% increase of retirement. Well that was in the middle of the Tech stock bubble. So ridiculous investment were made to try to cover that increase and now its going to run bankrupt soon. I have NO problem with them making a decent living. But it needs to be realistic, and there has to be recourse for getting rid of bad teachers.

HockeyDad
Herf-A-Holic

15 years ago

#42

It reminds me of the protests in London and Paris this year. Nobody likes it when their gravytrain comes to an end.

The answer is simple. Raise property taxes and state sales taxes. Problem solved.

DrafterX
Herf-A-Holic

15 years ago

#43

It reminds me of the protests in London and Paris this year. Nobody likes it when their gravytrain comes to an end.

The answer is simple. Raise property taxes and state sales taxes. Problem solved.

HockeyDad wrote:

or start a lottery.... 😟

HockeyDad
Herf-A-Holic

15 years ago

#44

Wisconsin government workers have paralyzed the state to demonstrate why it would be bad to eliminate their ability to paralyze the state.

BuckyB93
Herf-A-Holic

15 years ago

#45

Ironic ain't it?

Teachers union bitches about how changing things will hurt the quality of the kids' education... think of the kids! This isn't about me, it's about the kids! I'm so concerned about the kids and their education that I'll force them to close the schools so I can go protest about my pension.

Think of the kids!

donutboy2000
Herf-A-Holic

15 years ago

#46

Wisconsin Teachers Failing At Their Jobs

In the middle of our discussion about the union protests in Wisconsin, here’s a fact worth noting.

As of 2009, only 40% of Wisconsin 8th graders tested as being proficient in math (PDF).

And their teachers are complaining about being required to do something we all do, contribute a portion of their health care premiums.

Strikes me that they should be counting themselves lucky to even have a job considering how badly they seem to be doing it.

outsidethebeltway

HockeyDad
Herf-A-Holic

15 years ago

#47

donutboy2000 wrote:

The test questions are culturally biased.

They should try something like:

Billy has 6 blocks of cheddar. Susan has 10 blocks of swiss. Added together, how many blocks of cheese do they have?

In 2004 against the Vikings, Brett Favre threw for 224 yds and 2 TDs in the first half and 176 yds and 1 TD in the second half. How many interceptions did Brett throw in that game?

Kawak
Herf-A-Holic

15 years ago

#48

Teachers should never have to prove themselves or their worth. They are hereos regardless of how they perform...:-"

8trackdisco
Herf-A-Holic

15 years ago

#49

I wonder why they left the state... couldn't they have just stayed home and refused to leave..?? 😕

DrafterX wrote:

There is a provision in the state constitution that says state troopers can force them in if the governor calls for it.

8trackdisco
Herf-A-Holic

15 years ago

#50

They are making a bunch of cuts here in MI too. Mostly to K-12 education. I was listening to the WI story on the way home from work, and I got to thinking....if these states really need to cut something, why not cut welfare and other state social programs? I haven't so much as heard it mentioned. All they wanna do is cut state employees' pay/benefits and cut funding for education. WTF?

If they keep cutting education, we will end up with a bunch of blundering dunderheads...who will end up on welfare.

borndead1 wrote:

That is just the start of the cuts. The rest come later.

The "under-served populations" need to continue to be medicated. If they don't get their 10 pound blocks of Sconnie cheese,and cigarettes, we will have riots.

They are going to cut funding to Wisconsin Public Radio. With their programing being 80% Liberal, how di you think they are covering this story?

ARN
Herf-A-Holic

15 years ago

#51

Teachers should never have to prove themselves or their worth. They are hereos regardless of how they perform...:-"

Kawak wrote:

HERO'S..................................
WOW! now we have teachers right up there with Soldiers, Firemen and Police officers......

Kawak
Herf-A-Holic

15 years ago

#52

HERO'S..................................
WOW! now we have teachers right up there with Soldiers, Firemen and Police officers......

ARN wrote:

Actually those individuals are right up there with teachers...almost...:^o

tljones1961
Herf-A-Holic

15 years ago

#53

I'm protesting. What the hell makes you people think workers should be able to choose whether or not they have to join a union? I believe in FREEDOM and unions should be free to force people to join them!

delarob
Herf-A-Holic

15 years ago

#54

You wanna know why they're protesting?

They want to take away their bargaining rights because the state has failed to live up to their part of the retirement bargain. In the interest of being everything for everyone and to keep funding earmarks and other misuse of state funds, the state has not made full if any payments into the pension funds of the state employees. The employees on the other hand have done everything they've said they would. Now, the state wants to have the emloyees pony up more money after defaulting on their payments and slap the state employees with the problem of balancing the budget that they the lawmakers have F*cked up to begin with! The state caused most of their own mess by defaulting on payments and giving bigger tax breaks, (Sound Familiar?) that brought down state revenues and is now looking at their state employees to fund the repair as well as take away their collective bargaining power so in the future they can roll over them some more. The state was fine and should have had a surplus. Had the state deposited their share that THEY AGREED to, the system would still be sound and functioning as it should.

As much as I am anti union, they did not cause the mess they're in.

I'll agree, state employees have a good deal. They also, like us, have not seen a pay raise in about 7 years, have seen pay roll backs, pay more for health pension etc. and there is no end in sight. However when you talk of reducing state spending, you are met with half azzed attempts that do little if nothing to stem over spending and actually cause more deficits. How bout we cut out the earmarks? How bout we cut out the bull sh*t spending.

Walker has not suggested once to compromise. 😳 Why?

Papachristou
Aficionado

15 years ago

#55

donutboy2000 wrote:

nailed it. the problem with the entire public sector is there is ZERO accountability. you get triple the holidays i get, free benefits and retirement? what the hell company gives retirement now at 50 something?

it sucks but we have been living a credit pipe dream for years and years, if not decades. there are going to be cuts that are going to change peoples way of life. that is reality. we need a lot more of these types of cuts too. states need to get back in the black as does the federal government.

HockeyDad
Herf-A-Holic

15 years ago

#56

I'll agree, state employees have a good deal. They also, like us, have not seen a pay raise in about 7 years, have seen pay roll backs, pay more for health pension etc. and there is no end in sight. However when you talk of reducing state spending, you are met with half azzed attempts that do little if nothing to stem over spending and actually cause more deficits. How bout we cut out the earmarks? How bout we cut out the bull sh*t spending.

delarob wrote:

How 'bout we just raise taxes!

DrMaddVibe
Herf-A-Holic

15 years ago

#57

How 'bout we just raise taxes!

HockeyDad wrote:

What about we just say we did and fire up the printing presses!!!!=p~

Papachristou
Aficionado

15 years ago

#58

hooray!!!!!!!! print more money!!!!!!! no need to pay off debt ever!

delarob
Herf-A-Holic

15 years ago

#59

How 'bout we just raise taxes!

HockeyDad wrote:

Now you want everyone to have to bail out bad decisions? When you spend more than you have, or can realistically sustain in the near future, you have to make cuts. Doesnt matter which party is in there, they all live beyond OUR means.

Kawak
Herf-A-Holic

15 years ago

#60

The plus side for unions is that no one works so they can keep this up for months!

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