HockeyDad
15 years ago

I am frosted that the soldiers fighting in conflicts are all going to have to go without pay.......

richokeeffe wrote:




They should just leave. Breach of contract and whatnot.
HockeyDad
15 years ago
An interesting thing to see is how many "nonessential' government employees get angry and quit over this.

I am predicting: Zero.
ZRX1200
15 years ago
Can we reduce moochelle's assistants numbers below the 44??
teedubbya
15 years ago
I know its not of interest in here because it is more fun to assume all 800,000 people that could lose income over this are really stupid, lazy teet sucking ticks, but the term nonessential refers to those that are not

(1) Employees involved in obligations “authorized by law” or
(2) Employees involved in the safety of human life or the protection of property.

yea that group of 800,000 sure are lazy.
HockeyDad
15 years ago
So what is the definition of "essential"?
JadeRose
15 years ago
I heard all non-essentials employees are to report to their nearest Soylent Co. factory to be "re-assigned". Sounds like a good deal!!!!!
Papachristou
15 years ago
No One here has said they are lazy! The fact soldiers dont get paid sucks but they will get paid eventually. The problem is the large number of people employed by the federal, state and local governments and their absurd pensions and benefits they continue to receive after retirement.

some, not all also have absurd salaries for their jobs. Some federal agent called a radio station and he is making $125,000 he said
teedubbya
15 years ago

So what is the definition of "essential"?

HockeyDad wrote:




oops. that little word not is an important one.
ZRX1200
15 years ago
Hey teedubya...I was alive before 800k but the taxes are killing me.
HockeyDad
15 years ago
Good fix!


So here's a question:

How many "essential" employees will still be on the job. We keep hearing 800,000 unessential.
HockeyDad
15 years ago
I would hate to work a job were I was called "nonessential." I would be outraged. ...but, gravy is gravy!
teedubbya
15 years ago

No One here has said they are lazy! The fact soldiers dont get paid sucks but they will get paid eventually. The problem is the large number of people employed by the federal, state and local governments and their absurd pensions and benefits they continue to receive after retirement.

some, not all also have absurd salaries for their jobs. Some federal agent called a radio station and he is making $125,000 he said

Papachristou wrote:





Identify and deal with those jobs. I'm with you there. But anecdotal BS is worthless and silly.
teedubbya
15 years ago

Good fix!


So here's a question:

How many "essential" employees will still be on the job. We keep hearing 800,000 unessential.

HockeyDad wrote:



when the company shuts down the employees are non esential. some staff is kept to facilitate the shutdown (until complete) and in the case of the government there is the life or death thing (which is a stretch in many cases).

I take no issue with the term. If there is no work to do in any industry the job shouldn't be there. No funds = no work. Cool by me. No job should be there for the sake of a job.
teedubbya
15 years ago
Oops HD.....

that is an answer I do not know but as I alluded to above its way too many (that will remain...thus the word stretch).

There are interesting funding stream issues too. Certain funding streams are still in place.
elk hunter
15 years ago
Funny thing is, they will all just put in for vacation pay while things are "shut down"
teedubbya
15 years ago

Funny thing is, they will all just put in for vacation pay while things are "shut down"

elk hunter wrote:




Not a possability - facts are a rare thing

Antideficiency Act (31 U.S.C. 1341 et seq.)
elk hunter
15 years ago

Not a possability - facts are a rare thing

teedubbya wrote:



Point taken...
teedubbya
15 years ago

Point taken...

elk hunter wrote:




Elk not trying to be a ****** but there is an awful lot being said without any real info.
teedubbya
15 years ago
In the past pay was retroactive anyway but there is no gaurentee of that.

Q: What is a furlough?
A: A furlough is the placing of an employee in a temporary nonduty, nonpay status because of lack of work or funds, or other nondisciplinary reasons.

Q: What is a shutdown furlough and why is a shutdown furlough necessary?
A: In the event that funds are not available through an appropriations law or continuing resolution, a "shutdown" furlough occurs. A shutdown furlough is necessary when an agency no longer has the necessary funds to operate and must shut down those activities which are not excepted pursuant to the Antideficiency Act.

Q: Who are Excepted Employees?
A: In the context of shutdown furloughs, the term "excepted employees" is used to refer to employees who are funded through annual appropriations who are nonetheless excepted from the furlough because they are performing work that, by law, may continue to be performed during a lapse in appropriations. "Excepted employees" include employees who are (1) performing emergency work involving the safety of human life or the protection of property, (2) performing minimal activities as necessary to execute an orderly suspension of agency operations related to non-excepted activities, or (3) performing certain other types of excepted work. Agency legal counsels, working with senior agency managers, are determining which employees are designated to be handling "excepted" and "non-excepted" functions.

Other employees are "exempt" from furlough because they are not affected by a lapse in appropriations. This includes employees who are not funded by annually appropriated funds. It also includes those Presidential appointees who are not subject to a Federal employee leave system-i.e., who are entitled to an annual salary without consideration of the hours of duty required and thus cannot be placed in nonduty/nonpay status. (NOTE: Non-career SES and Schedule C employees do not fall into this category.)

All other employees funded through annual appropriations are not able to work during a "shutdown" and will be furloughed.

Q: How will employees be notified whether they have been designated to be handling "excepted" or "non-excepted" functions?
A: Each Agency will communicate with its employees regarding the method and timing of notification of whether they have been designated as an excepted or non-excepted employee.

Q: Are all employees who qualify as "emergency employees" for the purpose of weather emergencies considered to be "excepted employees" for the purpose of a shutdown furlough?
A: Not necessarily. "Emergency employees" are those employees who must report for work in emergency situations-e.g., severe weather conditions, air pollution, power failures, interruption of public transportation, and other situations in which significant numbers of employees are prevented from reporting for work or which require agencies to close all or part of their activities. Emergency employees are not automatically deemed excepted employees for purposes of shutdown furloughs. Each agency must determine which employees are excepted employees.

Questions regarding working during a furlough:
Q: May an employee volunteer to do his or her job on a non-pay basis during a shutdown furlough?
A: No. Unless otherwise authorized by law, an agency may not accept the voluntary services of an employee. (See 31 U.S.C. 1342.)

Q: May employees take other jobs while on furlough?
A: While on furlough, an individual remains an employee of the Federal Government. Therefore, executive branch-wide standards of ethical conduct and rules regarding outside employment continue to apply when an individual is furloughed (specifically, the executive branch-wide standards of ethical conduct (the standards), at 5 CFR part 2635). In addition, there are specific statutes which prohibit certain outside activities, and agency-specific supplemental rules that require prior approval of, and sometimes prohibit, outside employment. Therefore, before engaging in outside employment, employees should review these regulations and then consult their agency ethics official to learn if there are any agency-specific supplemental rules governing the employee.

Questions regarding pay:
Q: Will excepted employees be paid for performing work during a shutdown furlough? If so, when will excepted employees receive such payments?
A: Agencies will incur obligations to pay for services performed by excepted employees during a lapse in appropriations, and those employees will be paid when Congress passes and the President signs a new appropriation or continuing resolution.

Q: Will employees who are furloughed get paid?
A: Congress will determine whether "non-excepted" employees receive pay for the furlough period.

Questions regarding leave:
Q: May an employee not excepted from the furlough take previously approved paid leave (e.g., annual, sick, court, military leave, or leave for bone marrow or organ donation) during a shutdown furlough?
A. No. All paid leave during a shutdown furlough period must be canceled because the requirement to furlough supersedes leave rights. The Antideficiency Act (31 U.S.C. 1341 et seq.) does not allow authorization of any expenditure or obligation before an appropriation is made, unless authorized by law. Paid leave creates a debt to the Government that is not authorized by the Act. Therefore, agencies are instructed that during a shutdown furlough, all paid leave must be canceled.

Q: May an excepted employee take previously approved paid leave or be granted new requests for paid leave during a shutdown furlough?
A. No. When an excepted employee is not working or not performing excepted activities in compliance with the Antideficiency Act, he or she cannot be in a paid leave status. Excepted employees must be either performing excepted activities or furloughed during any absence from work. The furlough must be documented by a furlough notice. If an excepted employee refuses to report for work after being ordered to do so, he or she will be considered in an absence without leave (AWOL) and will be subject to any consequences that may follow from being AWOL.

Questions regarding benefits:
Q: Will an employee continue to be covered under the Federal Employee Health Benefits (FEHB) program during a shutdown furlough if the agency is unable to make its premium payments on time?
A. Yes, the employee’s FEHB coverage will continue even if an agency does not make the premium payments on time.

Q: What effect will a furlough have on other benefits that are paid for through payroll deductions?
http://www.opm.gov/oca/leave/HTML/LWOP_eff.asp .

Questions regarding unemployment compensation:
Q: Are employees entitled to unemployment compensation while on furlough?
http://workforcesecurity.doleta.gov/unemploy/unemcomp.asp .)

bloody spaniard
15 years ago

Identify and deal with those jobs. I'm with you there. But anecdotal BS is worthless and silly.

teedubbya wrote:




I based what I said on personal experience working with the Federal Government since I was an executive working for an insurance firm and later as a business owner- almost 30 years between the two. If you want to consider that anecdotal because it hasn't been published & confirmed by a sanctioned authority, so be it. Then again, saying that the majority of federal employees are worthless may be inaccurate if it's only 50%.

Speaking of which, based on your posts and the wealth of knowledge you appear to posses, I would certainly list you among the top 50%. lol Just having fun, bro. You're certainly one of the best the guvmin' has employed.
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