DrMaddVibe
15 years ago
It always goes wrong when we get to the snickerdoodles.
wheelrite
15 years ago

I was away for a few hours trying to find a butcher in the area that sells lamb and hog casings to make my own sausage. Not one around here sells them. Pisses me off. I gotta find one online or something. Anyone know of one?

FuzzNJ wrote:




Find a new Commune...
FuzzNJ
15 years ago

In order:
Racism is when systems have the ability to control laws and situation that effect peoples lives. There really aren't any minority controlled institutions that hold the white man down.

Ever hear of affirmative action? How about quotas, especially in universities where its sold as "diversification"?
And don't forget the dumbing down of standarized tests in order to be more inclusive.
Don't kid yourself into thinking that only a "minority controlled institution" could enforce a racially motivated rule.


I'm sorry you think that the black man is keeping you down in the rental car clerk business, really. That's a fast pace, high earning, cut throat, lucrative career and I'm sure your years of higher education just to land a job like that should itself warrant an immediate 7 figure salary

??
Before I comment, I'll allow you a chance to explain your intent here.
Because it appears to use sarcasm to imply that someones chosen occupation is not honorable or otherwise important.
I'd describe the sort of vile loser that one would have to be to employ such a tactic to simply make a point, but I'll save it until you've had time to reconsider your words.

I honestly hope I have misinterpretted.

tailgater wrote:



I have heard about those things. I don't agree with dumbing down tests. I do agree with changing some of the language though. For example. Regatta, catilion, debutante, are examples of words that were removed from some standardized tests. Tell me, what kid from the inner city of Pittsburgh or the mountains of West Virginia are going to be familiar with those words? It's just not part of their life and it's not taught in school. That's not dumbing down the test, it's making it less exclusive to the people who are privileged enough to have those things in their life.

Universities have been through the years notorious for not accepting minority students, regardless of grades. In order to change that. . I'm sure you know the story. Now, one can argue that it's no longer needed, good students get in regardless of race, fine and good. However, there are a disproportionate number of students in poor neighborhoods with low tax revenue that are minorities. Because of the low tax revenue, schooling is bad, leading most often to bad education, then bad jobs, then lower tax revenue in their neighborhoods in which they are now stuck, and the cycle continues. Books have been written about this.

Now, another argument can be made in order to break this cycle it is a good idea to bring in students from these areas who show promise, yet still may not have the academic achievement in high school. It is with this justification that most affirmative action programs are supported now.

As far as the job crack, it is what he used to explain his 'reverse racism' theory and how the everyone thinks about race, so much so that he dismisses a scientific study. It's ludicrous.
FuzzNJ
15 years ago

Find a new Commune...

wheelrite wrote:



That would be great, I don't even have an old one though. Hippies rock.

What's that about liberals always resorting to insults and name calling?
wheelrite
15 years ago

That would be great, I don't even have an old one though. Hippies rock.

What's that about liberals always resorting to insults and name calling?

FuzzNJ wrote:



I'm a Libertarian so I'm allowed to insult anyone I want to...
FuzzNJ
15 years ago

I'm a Libertarian so I'm allowed to insult anyone I want to...

wheelrite wrote:



I'm a small l libertarian, as in anti-authoritarian, but liberal on social issues. I posted a thread on that a while ago, a questionnaire that put you one a scale not just l/r but also authoritarian/libertarian, x/y axis kinda thing.
HockeyDad
15 years ago

I have heard about those things. For example. Regatta, catilion, debutante, are examples of words that were removed from some standardized tests. Tell me, what kid from the inner city of Pittsburgh or the mountains of West Virginia are going to be familiar with those words? It's just not part of their life and it's not taught in school. That's not dumbing down the test, it's making it less exclusive to the people who are privileged enough to have those things in their life.

FuzzNJ wrote:




There is nothing wrong with those words. That is dumbing down the test. We're not supposed to give As to everyone.


Some people are just peasants and that is OK.
wheelrite
15 years ago

I'm a small l libertarian, as in anti-authoritarian, but liberal on social issues. I posted a thread on that a while ago, a questionnaire that put you one a scale not just l/r but also authoritarian/libertarian, x/y axis kinda thing.

FuzzNJ wrote:



I used to be a Pedestrian...
FuzzNJ
15 years ago

There is nothing wrong with those words. That is dumbing down the test. We're not supposed to give As to everyone.


Some people are just peasants and that is OK.

HockeyDad wrote:



While true that some people are destined to become paupers it doesn't mean we can't try to prevent as many as possible. And it certainly doesn't mean that there are some princes who would have been paupers if left to their own devices and not born into privilege.
HockeyDad
15 years ago
The world needs ditch diggers too.

An organized attempt at a least common denominator system isn't going to change that. (Except everybody gets trophy!)
tailgater
15 years ago

I have heard about those things. I don't agree with dumbing down tests. I do agree with changing some of the language though. For example. Regatta, catilion, debutante, are examples of words that were removed from some standardized tests. Tell me, what kid from the inner city of Pittsburgh or the mountains of West Virginia are going to be familiar with those words? It's just not part of their life and it's not taught in school. That's not dumbing down the test, it's making it less exclusive to the people who are privileged enough to have those things in their life.

Universities have been through the years notorious for not accepting minority students, regardless of grades. In order to change that. . I'm sure you know the story. Now, one can argue that it's no longer needed, good students get in regardless of race, fine and good. However, there are a disproportionate number of students in poor neighborhoods with low tax revenue that are minorities. Because of the low tax revenue, schooling is bad, leading most often to bad education, then bad jobs, then lower tax revenue in their neighborhoods in which they are now stuck, and the cycle continues. Books have been written about this.

Now, another argument can be made in order to break this cycle it is a good idea to bring in students from these areas who show promise, yet still may not have the academic achievement in high school. It is with this justification that most affirmative action programs are supported now.

As far as the job crack, it is what he used to explain his 'reverse racism' theory and how the everyone thinks about race, so much so that he dismisses a scientific study. It's ludicrous.

FuzzNJ wrote:




So now you're saying inner city kids can't read or understand words that kids from the 'burbs can?
And your proposal is to remove these words rather than teach them?
But you won't dare call this "dumbing down" the test, because that sounds offensive. Only privaleged kids know them fancy words.

And I still don't see your logic regarding the job crack.
Although I don't agree with his sentiment, I am almost horrified by your retort.
Discuss the issue. Debate it. Provide an alternative point of view.
But to attack someone's occupation?
This says more about you than you should want us to know.

FuzzNJ
15 years ago

So now you're saying inner city kids can't read or understand words that kids from the 'burbs can?
And your proposal is to remove these words rather than teach them?
But you won't dare call this "dumbing down" the test, because that sounds offensive. Only privaleged kids know them fancy words.

And I still don't see your logic regarding the job crack.
Although I don't agree with his sentiment, I am almost horrified by your retort.
Discuss the issue. Debate it. Provide an alternative point of view.
But to attack someone's occupation?
This says more about you than you should want us to know.

tailgater wrote:



No, I am not saying that kids are unable to understand those words. I stated very clearly that these words are not part of their upbringing, nor or they taught in their school. I would not have known what a debutante was because I never came across one growing up. I also clearly stated that it would not be just inner city kids, but kids in the mountains of West Virginia, or anyone else who is poor.

Should I call you dumb because you don't know how to speak Cantonese or is it better to assume you don't know it because you never were exposed or taught the language?

Horrified? Really? Lighten up. I'm attacked here every single time I post because of what I do. Here I make a jab and you are horrified? Ridiculous.
DrMaddVibe
15 years ago

I'm attacked here every single time I post because of what I do. Here I make a jab and you are horrified? Ridiculous.

FuzzNJ wrote:




Maybe political threads aren't your best suit.[frypan]
FuzzNJ
15 years ago

Maybe political threads aren't your best suit.[frypan]

DrMaddVibe wrote:



Um yeah. The fact that you disagree with me makes me hostile and it forces me to be an ass and call you names 'n stuff, excuse.
ZRX1200
15 years ago
Poor kids are too dumb to read =
Covering for teachers that can't do their job.
FuzzNJ
15 years ago

Poor kids are too dumb to read =
Covering for teachers that can't do their job.

ZRX1200 wrote:



Again, not what I said. There have been volumes upon volumes of studies and writings on this subject. The most accurate predictor of how well one does on the SAT's is their parents income. The higher the income, the higher the score. But this particular factor does not correlate in any way to how the student does in college.

A fact that everyone should find interesting. The Case Against the SAT is a book written in the 80's I think that goes into this, and there are a number of other studies that looked at 10's of thousands of cases in an effort to look at this subject.

But, continue to ignore it, as I know most of you will, mostly because I was the one who brought it up.
DrMaddVibe
15 years ago

Um yeah. The fact that you disagree with me makes me hostile and it forces me to be an ass and call you names 'n stuff, excuse.

FuzzNJ wrote:




well, instead of diagnosing others here on the boards...look in a mirror!
HockeyDad
15 years ago

I'm attacked here every single time I post because of what I do.

FuzzNJ wrote:




Did you get a job? (Dear Baby Jesus, I apologize for that and bless the pygmies down in Africa)
HockeyDad
15 years ago
No matter how you try to spin it, removing words from standardized tests to find a least common denominator of words, the rich kids, inner city kids, and coal mining hick kids all understand is "dumbing down"

It is idiocracy.
madaxeman
15 years ago

I'm attacked here every single time I post because of what I do.

FuzzNJ wrote:




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