robertknyc
15 years ago


That comment made no sense in this context. It was sort of random lol. I defended bush so I'm about to fall to the left. Good one.

teedubbya wrote:



The context is that you'll defend Bush while 10 minutes later you'll call him the worst president ever or in our lifetime. THAT is someone trying to appear neutral or whatever while actually residing on the left.
teedubbya
15 years ago

The context is that you'll defend Bush while 10 minutes later you'll call him the worst president ever or in our lifetime. THAT is someone trying to appear neutral or whatever while actually residing on the left.

robertknyc wrote:




You really beleive that? So bush is either wrong about everything or right about everything? That is just silly.
teedubbya
15 years ago
I do think bush is the worst in my lifetime. But he didn't do everything wrong. To say he did actually weakens one's argument.

Voting for bush then thinking his actions sucked = turning left. How little thinking does that concept require?
cbc812
15 years ago
This thread is a waste of time.

Anyone who's seen the footage knows that Osama had two arms and presumably still did when the Seals showed up.
DrMaddVibe
15 years ago

I do think bush is the worst in my lifetime. But he didn't do everything wrong. To say he did actually weakens one's argument.

teedubbya wrote:




Look, I know you broke "ranks" and called him "Cornwallace" and all kinds of names...we both ridiculed the spending his administration was doing at the time, but to call him the worst after what we have in there now? That's just laughable. For every gaffe they pointed at GW this jackwagon got a pass. Now the lovefest is over and the tab is coming due. He's not gonna put gas in Peggy Joseph's car or pay her rent. She did right by him, he hasn't done right by America.

If you're going to maintain any kind of credibility that Bush was the worst...this guy has done the very same he railed against. Just on that merit alone he should rate lower. The fact that he still is doing the same thing as the last guy, but can maintain the high ground is crazy talk.

Where's your change?

Hell even the poopie poster lambasted the stooge for what he's pulled on America.

teedubbya
15 years ago
My take is Obama is well on his way to catching up. He may get there. They both stink. At this point even if all else is equal Iraq tips the scale. Obama still has time to catch him. I did not start from a negative position with bush. He earned it with me. Obama started from a much more negative position with me and most in here. He has not caught bush yet but may.
gringococolo
15 years ago
But what is worse? Failure by ignorance or failure by false pretenses. Hope and change and transparancy.
DrMaddVibe
15 years ago

But what is worse? Failure by ignorance or failure by false pretenses. Hope and change and transparancy.

gringococolo wrote:




You mean as transparent as releasing the photos of Bin Laden?[frypan] [frypan] [frypan]

That's the same point I was attempting to make.

Meh.
cbc812
15 years ago
I mean, maybe the Seals shot one or both arms off, but it sounds like it was a head shot.
DrMaddVibe
15 years ago

I mean, maybe the Seals shot one or both arms off, but it sounds like it was a head shot.

cbc812 wrote:




What are Navy SEALS with security clearances doing in front of cameras for the world to see?

MAJOR SECURITY BREECH!!!
robertknyc
15 years ago

You really beleive that? So bush is either wrong about everything or right about everything? That is just silly.

teedubbya wrote:



I never said anything even close to that, nor do I believe that so I'm not sure where you're coming from. MY point is that I find it sort of laughable your predeliction for pretending to be above all the partisan back and forth while I find you actually quite partisan in reality. Maybe not in political party terms but holding very strong opinions in this case on Bush.
DrafterX
15 years ago
I heard two war dogs each took pulled his arms off..... then bit off his face.... 😟
teedubbya
15 years ago

I never said anything even close to that, nor do I believe that so I'm not sure where you're coming from. MY point is that I find it sort of laughable your predeliction for pretending to be above all the partisan back and forth while I find you actually quite partisan in reality. Maybe not in political party terms but holding very strong opinions in this case on Bush.

robertknyc wrote:




I hold very strong opinions about a lot of things. Never said I didn't. I get called a lefty or fencepost in here and go along with it because I think its funny. I have been a very partisan republican for a long time. Bush struck a particularly opinionated bone in me because I voted for him and he was horrible. In here the easier path was to remain quiet or defend bush. I didn't. But then I get called fence post. I love the irony.


I'm not above the partisan back and forth. I can freely admit I get caught up in it and don't like it when I do. I make mistakes, I am at times inconsistent, have lost many arguments (and sometimes admitted so, other times did not). What amazes me is the people that will not admit it. If I call someone on it it does not mean I don't do it. Two different things. And if you call me on it I will admit it. Unless you are wrong LOL.

But none of that really has anything to do with anything. You just didn't like that I disagreed with your assessment on this particular fuzz instance and your reaction is amusing. You seem to have difficulty with how things coorelate (or don't).

If it makes you feel better, I am sorry I defended Fuzz and will now agree with you. Since he was inconsistent there really is no reason to ever put any merit or thought into anything he ever says. [sarcasm]
teedubbya
15 years ago

The context is that you'll defend Bush while 10 minutes later you'll call him the worst president ever or in our lifetime. THAT is someone trying to appear neutral or whatever while actually residing on the left.

robertknyc wrote:



By the way this is what I was commenting in previously. There is nothing inconsistent about thinking Bush was terrible yet defending him on any specific subject. Nor is disagreeing or disliking a President of any party an automatic indicator that you support the other party. I must have misunderstood what you were trying to say since you are saying nothing of the sort. LOL
robertknyc
15 years ago

You just didn't like that I disagreed with your assessment on this particular fuzz instance and your reaction is amusing. You seem to have difficulty with how things coorelate (or don't).
[sarcasm]

teedubbya wrote:




I don't really know what you are referring to. I wasn't particularly upset about anything you said, just think it wasn't accurate.
teedubbya
15 years ago

I don't really know what you are referring to. I wasn't particularly upset about anything you said, just think it wasn't accurate.

robertknyc wrote:



I didn't assume you were upset and neither am I. For a neutral grey colored person I actually like the discussion and banter. That is probably why I come accross as in the middle. Not much upsets me except when someone leaves a plunger in the toilet at night and I have a diarrea attack.

And I understand you are not following my logic. Its cool. I think its pretty clear. You may not. *shrug*
robertknyc
15 years ago

There is nothing inconsistent about thinking Bush was terrible yet defending him on any specific subject.

teedubbya wrote:




I'm just noticing the pattern of pretending to be above it all by supposedly being this "fair arbiter" who can see good and bad in a particular individual, as if that by itself is virtuous. Just my perception, I'm sure yours is different.
teedubbya
15 years ago

I'm just noticing the pattern of pretending to be above it all by supposedly being this "fair arbiter" who can see good and bad in a particular individual, as if that by itself is virtuous. Just my perception, I'm sure yours is different.

robertknyc wrote:




I just say what I think. I have no real MO. you may.

as for pretending *shrug* I guess you are better than I at knowing what people really think as opposed to what they say. that says more about you than me.

I do try to look at what is being said rather than who is saying it, but I'd guess only Spock or a robot could do that 100% of the time and if you screw up once you know nothing else you do is ever worthy.
teedubbya
15 years ago
And let me just stipulate this right now ... I am not above it all. I am not above anything in here. And I am in no way an arbiter. I like the fights and will stir the pot whenever I see fit.

I'm also a hypocrit (I said that before), an arse hole, and no brighter than the average IQ in here. And sometimes the inside of my bunghole itches and I just scratch it. I do not use a tissue.

But all of that has nothing to do with anything I said in this post to get your dander up LOL



Edited to say dander rather than wood because it gave me an unpleasant visual.
DrMaddVibe
15 years ago

I hold very strong opinions about a lot of things. Never said I didn't. I get called a lefty or fencepost in here and go along with it because I think its funny. I have been a very partisan republican for a long time. Bush struck a particularly opinionated bone in me because I voted for him and he was horrible. In here the easier path was to remain quiet or defend bush. I didn't. But then I get called fence post. I love the irony.


I'm not above the partisan back and forth. I can freely admit I get caught up in it and don't like it when I do. I make mistakes, I am at times inconsistent, have lost many arguments (and sometimes admitted so, other times did not). What amazes me is the people that will not admit it. If I call someone on it it does not mean I don't do it. Two different things. And if you call me on it I will admit it. Unless you are wrong LOL.

But none of that really has anything to do with anything. You just didn't like that I disagreed with your assessment on this particular fuzz instance and your reaction is amusing. You seem to have difficulty with how things coorelate (or don't).

If it makes you feel better, I am sorry I defended Fuzz and will now agree with you. Since he was inconsistent there really is no reason to ever put any merit or thought into anything he ever says. [sarcasm]

teedubbya wrote:




Bro...your reasons were there and are here for ALL to find. So are mine.

I understood why the dislike.

What got me was what you were railing against was FAR worse than GW.

Now, the hopey changey stuff hasn't shot out of the unicorn's ass. It left a lot of people that voted for him holding the bag. Good luck. I was very vocal about this guy. Still am. He hasn't done much good for me to even think about voting for him...and the polarization her really wants is something I can't hitch my wagon to. Even tonight with the Common visit to the WH...that's utter wipe your ass on the curtains of the WH and it's legacy. Whatever. If the POTUS wants to glorify a racebaiting cop killing singer/sctor with a dinner...go for it...good luck defending him and his ideology.

You know I'm a fan of anything "quirky" and funny. You fit the bill, but on this guy we disagree. I'd still have a smoke wif ya though!
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