ZRX1200
15 years ago
Rick...its the ying to the lefts yang obsession of Bushy.

Smile grandpa.
HockeyDad
15 years ago

Obama isn't doing good at all. He renewed the Bush tax cuts for the top earners and that was a huge mistake, as that chart shows.

And no, the topic isn't stupid, right wing hack, it shows that the big complaints coming from Republicans about the debt is because of their policies and they are blaming Democrats. You know how the right wing likes to blame Democratic controlled houses for these things? Well, who is in charge of the House now and has been since Obama has been in office? Funny how now it's Obama's fault. The blame shifts to the closest Democrat.

I know Obama isn't perfect, I would just expect a little consistency once in a while. Too much to ask?

FuzzNJ wrote:






Yes, the topic is stupid, pissant wannabe. It tries to duck the issue of who has racked up what amount of national debt so you can make some weak-ass argument that everything would be wonderful if the Bush tax cuts didn't exist. What that doesn't address is what would have happened to the economy over the last ten years.

The first two years of the Obama administration, the Democrats controlled the House and the Senate. They could have easily killed the Bush tax cuts and given you the miraculous victory you so desire. For some reason they didn't have the guts to do it but had no problem breaking out the credit card.

What now remains to be seen in what will the next year's Federal budget look like now that there is a Republican controlled House and the nation has maxed out our debt ceiling.
HockeyDad
15 years ago

Obama isn't doing good at all. He renewed the Bush tax cuts for the top earners and that was a huge mistake, as that chart shows.

FuzzNJ wrote:





The chart doesn't show it was a huge mistake. What the chart shows is that tax cuts without corresponding cuts in government spending lead to a larger national debt. That is exactly what Bush did and Obama is still doing.
HockeyDad
15 years ago

“America has extraordinary resources and we can use those resources, both intellectual and financial, to get us to a place where we are again a fiscally sound nation, a fiscally balanced nation, and future generations are not at risk.”

wheelrite wrote:





We are not broke as long as other nations still loan us money. They loan us money because they realize we have extraordinary resources.

What extraordinary resources means is that we can raise taxes. We can eliminate the Bush tax cuts. We could even add a few more percentage points on top of that. We could institute a VAT tax. We don't even need to cut government spending. We can cut consumer spending instead. Compared to European levels of taxation, we have tremendous room to solve the debt problem through taxation.
DrMaddVibe
15 years ago

Yes, the topic is stupid, pissant wannabe. It tries to duck the issue of who has racked up what amount of national debt so you can make some weak-ass argument that everything would be wonderful if the Bush tax cuts didn't exist. What that doesn't address is what would have happened to the economy over the last ten years.

The first two years of the Obama administration, the Democrats controlled the House and the Senate. They could have easily killed the Bush tax cuts and given you the miraculous victory you so desire. For some reason they didn't have the guts to do it but had no problem breaking out the credit card.

What now remains to be seen in what will the next year's Federal budget look like now that there is a Republican controlled House and the nation has maxed out our debt ceiling.

HockeyDad wrote:



Truth hurts.

Now pile on more war, another ponzi scheme and you have OWEBAMA...The Kenyan King alone at the top of the pile with more debt then has ever been realized since the start of this nation...COMBINED!

Lefty forgets that you have to pass the bill (one written by the lobbyists!) to see what's inside of it. Forget reading and stuff...that's hard. No, just kick the can further down the road.

Sad game that we can no longer play. The band is going to want to be paid for the dances. The Devil is overdue.
jpotts
15 years ago


Clinton's large budget surpluses also owe much to the Social Security tax on payrolls. Social Security taxes now bring in more than the cost of current benefits, and the "Social Security surplus" makes the total deficit or surplus figures look better than they would if Social Security wasn't counted. But even if we remove Social Security from the equation, there was a surplus of $1.9 billion in fiscal 1999 and $86.4 billion in fiscal 2000. So any way you count it, the federal budget was balanced and the deficit was erased, if only for a while.

FuzzNJ wrote:



Once again, Fuzz is lying.

There never was a budget surplus under Clinton. His best year had a budget deficit of 17 billion dollars. That's how much the national debt increased at the ebb of the Democrat-backed spending bonanza that the Republicans rolled back after the first two years of Clinton's term.

Nice try, liar.
FuzzNJ
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15 years ago

Truth hurts.

Now pile on more war, another ponzi scheme and you have OWEBAMA...The Kenyan King alone at the top of the pile with more debt then has ever been realized since the start of this nation...COMBINED!

Lefty forgets that you have to pass the bill (one written by the lobbyists!) to see what's inside of it. Forget reading and stuff...that's hard. No, just kick the can further down the road.

Sad game that we can no longer play. The band is going to want to be paid for the dances. The Devil is overdue.

DrMaddVibe wrote:




Bush ran up 4.9 trillion.

Obama has run up 2.4.

So that is wrong.

http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/reports/pd/mspd/2009/opds092009.pdf 

http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/reports/pd/mspd/2011/opdm042011.pdf 
ZRX1200
15 years ago
Even taking your numbers at face value bush's number was for 8 years obama is for 1 and a half...
FuzzNJ
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15 years ago

Even taking your numbers at face value bush's number was for 8 years obama is for 1 and a half...

ZRX1200 wrote:



True, but taking into consideration the first post and the war and tax policies of the last administration as well as the horrendous economy inherited, we're lucky it's not more at this point.
ZRX1200
15 years ago
You're right bush inherited a lot of crap....
gringococolo
15 years ago
LMFAO....


I have been around the CBO's site. They talk in circles, like Obama.
fiddler898
15 years ago
So, #5, if I use all caps, large font and colors, does that make me right too?

Oops, sorry, almost forgot the multiple exlamation points. My bad.
ZRX1200
15 years ago
No ^ that means RICKMAVEN will actually read it correctly.
DadZilla3
15 years ago
To blame the spending excesses of the current administration solely on the Bush administration is preposterous. Obama has had two years to rein in Federal spending, and instead his administration ran the printing presses overtime and perpetuated wars he promised to end.

Only the most deluded of liberals refuse to accept Obama's contribution to our current monetary fiasco.

Read the numbers and weep:

http://www.usdebtclock.org/index.html 
DadZilla3
15 years ago


This is like arguing over the bar tab on the Titanic...
FuzzNJ
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15 years ago

This is like arguing over the bar tab on the Titanic...

DadZilla3 wrote:



And yet we have posts like 25 where the lies keep spreading. Yeah, it's a problem. But it is a lie that Republican administrations are better at fiscal responsibility.

http://jec.senate.gov/archive/Documents/Reports/09.12.07%20National%20Debt.pdf 

http://www.microtopia.org/us-and-california-politics-and-policy/united-states-national-policy/us-federal-debt-under-republican-and-democratic-administrations/800px-US_Federal_Debt_as_Percent_of_GDP_by_President.jpg?attredirects=0 

DadZilla3
15 years ago

But it is a lie that Republican administrations are better at fiscal responsibility.

FuzzNJ wrote:



I agree with you there Fuzz 100%. Neither party seems to know how to balance a check book. Washington, and most of the state governments as well, need to start acting responsibly or we're gonna turn into Zimbabwe before too long.
rfenst
15 years ago
So, what about the benefits of national debt?
DrMaddVibe
15 years ago

I agree with you there Fuzz 100%. Neither party seems to know how to balance a check book. Washington, and most of the state governments as well, need to start acting responsibly or we're gonna turn into Zimbabwe before too long.

DadZilla3 wrote:




Gonna?



Are you implying that we're going to repay the debt?


That's NOT going to happen.



Everyone is going to play kick the can. Each time the can gets kicked further and further.


The interest on the debt is totally unsustainable.

Owebama could've really been a leader and brought the Hope and Change. What did he do? He brought no new leadership to the table. He loaded up with interest groups and lobbyists like he PROMISED he wouldn't. He went on a spending bender the likes this nation has NEVER seen. He sure talked a lot about Bush being bad, but in the end...he was worse. He continued EVERYTHING he railed against. He became the problem and not the agent of Change he swore he would be. The out of control spending was what misaligned me from GW. He was spending like a drunken sailor on Fleet Week...actually that's wrong. Sailors have to have some sort of reign. They will be punished if the acted like Owebama and Bush. Within days of being sworn in we got to see him in action and it wasn't pretty. More bailouts...buyouts and giveaways to the unions that helped get him elected.

Makes me want to vomit.


Does everyone know what the barbarians found when they finally reached Rome?


America...look in the mirror.
HockeyDad
15 years ago

And yet we have posts like 25 where the lies keep spreading. Yeah, it's a problem. But it is a lie that Republican administrations are better at fiscal responsibility.

FuzzNJ wrote:




President Bush spent like a drunken sailor on shore leave.
President Obama so far has spent like a drunken aircraft carrier on shore leave.

The absolution you are looking for you will not find by trying to blame GWB.
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