However –
We should repeal the Bush-era tax cuts for those over $200k.
You’d agree with that right?

Brewha wrote:

Try reading the entire thread OS -

Brewha wrote:

Brew,
if I told you straight up that the rich paid more than the fair share, then I'd at least try to back it up with facts and/or opinions.

You came in like gang busters, declaring that it was stupid to think the rich paid enough. That their contributions were not fair (or fare, as you so want to type).

Then you haven't the facts, the conviction, nor the fortitude to respond with even a hint of where you postulated this premise.
I asked a question, and your "answer" is to ask me a question.

I am dissapointed. But not nearly as much as you may have been when you learned that Rachael Maddow plays for the other team.
For it's obvious that you get your "facts" from her.

In the meantime, if we're talking "Personal Income Tax" then here are the facts:

The top 1% wage earners pay about 40% of all Federal Personal Income Taxes collected.
The top 5% covers about 55%
And the top 25% pay all but 15% of all federal income taxes collected (that's 85% in case you don't have a calculator).
*These numbers are from 2008, the last year of GWB. They may have changed slightly but you get the point.

Fair?
I wouldn't want to influence you with my opinion.

tailgater wrote:

That would be worth about 70-80 billion USD per year. Yes, that is all. Welcome to politics. People are led to believe that getting rid of the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy will solve everything.

Now if you want to raise around 370 billion USD per year, you can eliminate ALL the Bush tax cuts. That includes the 10% bracket.....everything. Everybody gets the pain. Now we will see if the Bush tax cuts were just for the wealthy!

Now we just need to find another 600 billion USD in new taxes or Federal spending reductions each year and we wold be approaching a balanced budget.


The USA is Greece and just doesn't know it yet.

HockeyDad wrote:

You think over 200k is rich?[frypan]

Now who is eating the forced fed liberal talking points?

OldSchool wrote:

Yeah, I'll read, in chronological order, 80 posts... NOT. It was enough to read your post above that said repeal the "Bush Tax Cuts" for 200k and over.

And seems to me, even with continual prompmting, you have yet to state what you think is a "fair" amount of my money to take.

Here's an idea your liberal mind may embrace. How about ALL our money goes to the government then when we need some we ask for and if we provide a good enough reason for wanting it we get it. You know, kinda like an allowance or something...](*,)

Go march to save the tress or to legalize hemp or something, please, just get your hand out of my pocket.

OldSchool wrote:

TG,

I wrote that the ‘wealthy’ don’t pay their fare share – not the ‘rich’. And I made the distinction that the ‘wealthy’ really don’t take wages. If you control billions, you have many ways to accrue wealth that are not subject to wage tax. The companies you own aren’t taxed like a home or a boat.

I get that you are fixated on personal income tax, which not what I was talking about in the first place.

Brewha wrote:

TG,

I wrote that the ‘wealthy’ don’t pay their fare share – not the ‘rich’. And I made the distinction that the ‘wealthy’ really don’t take wages. If you control billions, you have many ways to accrue wealth that are not subject to wage tax. The companies you own aren’t taxed like a home or a boat.

I get that you are fixated on personal income tax, which not what I was talking about in the first place. In the mean time, you did not weigh in on the bone I threw in about the tax break for the rich. Your reading seems a bid selective.

I note word in your post like ‘conviction’ and ‘fortitude’. You should be a thoroughgoing conservative now and tell us what is ‘right’ and fear us about ‘socialism’. Perhaps you could post the lyrics from ‘Onward Christian Soldiers’ – I know it would make me smile.

And of course you would influence with your opinion – otherwise why give it? A sense if conviction to do what is right?

Brewha wrote:

Why give a bazillion dollar contract to France's Air Bus rather than our own Boeing?

tailgater wrote:

Actually a household making more than 250K a year is in the top 2% of the nation.

Terms like "rich", "wealthy", and "middle class" get very muddled when talking about goring people with taxes. Most people think they are "middle class" regardless of reality.

HockeyDad wrote:

One odd thing about this thread is that there isn't much in the way of how to eliminate one trillion dollars in Federal government spending per year. I guess that means our government spending is necessary so the focus has to be increasing revenue.

HockeyDad wrote:

I put forth these suggestions

1. All elected politicians with a net worth in excess of $999,999.99 receive $0.00 in salary
2. Cut all non-essential federal worker salaries by 1/3. (Non-essentail = office staff and the like, not first responders etc...)
3. Eliminate additional welfare dollars for babies birthed after someone is already in the program
4. Cut all funding to PBS, NPR and the like.
5. Cut all foreign aid. (If our ship is sinking how can we possibly save someone else?)
6. Eliminate earmarks and pork.
7. Eliminate liberalism.

OldSchool wrote:

And enter the dark ages . . . .

Brewha wrote:

And enter the dark ages . . . .

Brewha wrote:

I put forth these suggestions

1. All elected politicians receive $0.00 in salary
2. Cut all non-essential federal workers - If it's essential...fine...if not...buh-bye to the "private sector" it goes!
3. Eliminate welfare dollars for babies birthed after someone is already in the program and have them sterilized
4. Cut all funding to PBS, NPR and the like.
5. Cut all foreign aid. (If our ship is sinking how can we possibly save someone else?)
6. Eliminate earmarks and pork. One page bills...no riders!
7. Eliminate the Progressive Movement

OldSchool wrote:

Sorry...tweaking was in order.

DrMaddVibe wrote:

I put forth these suggestions

1. All elected politicians with a net worth in excess of $999,999.99 receive $0.00 in salary
2. Cut all non-essential federal worker salaries by 1/3. (Non-essentail = office staff and the like, not first responders etc...)
3. Eliminate additional welfare dollars for babies birthed after someone is already in the program
4. Cut all funding to PBS, NPR and the like.
5. Cut all foreign aid. (If our ship is sinking how can we possibly save someone else?)
6. Eliminate earmarks and pork.
7. Eliminate liberalism.

OldSchool wrote: