DrMaddVibe
14 years ago

So Ron Paul = Obama x 3 ?

That doesn't sound good at all.

yardobeef wrote:




I'm betting that Dr. Paul wouldn't need the teleprompter...bow to foreign leaders...have a plan that would actually work and the fortitude to get it done and allow Capitalism to thrive instead of picking winners and installing unions.

3 times better is a good thing.

DrMaddVibe
14 years ago

And a few more trillion dollars.

borndead1 wrote:




and another war...AND a Partridge in a pear tree!!!
FuzzNJ
14 years ago

Sigh...he never bought ads on Stormfront. Just because a lot of neo nazis support him doesn't make your "guilt by association" claim stick. The KKK endorsed McCain in 2008. Does that make McCain a racist?

borndead1 wrote:




Ad that appeared on Stormfront.

http://www.israellycool.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/stormfront2.jpg 
http://www.israellycool.com/2007/10/05/really-really-stupid-people/ 

Paul keeps donation from white supremacist
12/19/2007 4:44:27 PM ET

WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. — Republican presidential hopeful Ron Paul has received a $500 campaign donation from a white supremacist, and the Texas congressman doesn't plan to return it, an aide said Wednesday.

Don Black, of West Palm Beach, recently made the donation, according to campaign filings. He runs a Web site called Stormfront with the motto, "White Pride World Wide." The site welcomes postings to the "Stormfront White Nationalist Community."

"Dr. Paul stands for freedom, peace, prosperity and inalienable rights. If someone with small ideologies happens to contribute money to Ron, thinking he can influence Ron in any way, he's wasted his money," Paul spokesman Jesse Benton said. "Ron is going to take the money and try to spread the message of freedom."

"And that's $500 less that this guy has to do whatever it is that he does," Benton added.

White separatist ran as Ron Paul delegate in Tennessee
March 12, 2008
By ERIK SCHELZIG
Associated Press Writer

NASHVILLE, Tenn. - A self-described white nationalist earned nearly 12,000 votes in Tennessee as a failed candidate to represent Ron Paul at the Republican National Convention.

Will Williams, who told The Associated Press he's "pro-white" and is against interracial marriages "because they can't make white babies," was an early organizer for the Texas congressman's campaign in northeast Tennessee.

"I have a world view that's ethnocentric, I believe my people are worth preserving," Williams said. "I think we need to have our living space, our breathing space. We need to protect our gene pool."

Williams, 60, of Mountain City, said he had no direct contact with Paul about his views before the campaign approved him to join the slate of 21 statewide candidates to be convention delegates.

"He didn't endorse me, he signed off on the list of volunteer delegates," Williams said.

Paul's signature is on the list of delegate candidates that Tennessee election officials used to draw up the ballot, but spokesman Jesse Benton said Wednesday that the campaign was unaware of Williams' views.

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t849303-6/ 

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_N7kXk1D1GmU/R4i9P6ZPj0I/AAAAAAAAAGc/JyvFQpPyF_s/s1600/ron_paul_antiracist.jpg 



Stormfront Radio endorses Ron Paul



An LGF reader emailed this photograph, showing Ron Paul at the Values Voters Presidential Debate in Fort Lauderdale on September 17, 2007. Immediately to Paul’s left: Don Black, the owner of neo-Nazi hate site Stormfront. The guy on the right is Black's son.

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/pictures/20071220RonPaulDonBlack.jpg 






Did you also buy into Obama's "guilt by association" with regard to Bill Ayers and Jeremiah Wright?

borndead1 wrote:



lol, nope. But the conservatives here still bring it up so using the same logic. . . .

I didn't say Paul was a racist either. I'm saying the campaign had ads on the site.

chiefburg
14 years ago
The news networks still support Obama (fr the most part). Their twist on the unemployment rate was comical at best. They skewed the numbers by including all the temp holiday help along with dropping those folks who no longer qualify for benefits.....let's wait for the Jan/Feb numbers to see where we stand.
HockeyDad
14 years ago

The news networks still support Obama (fr the most part). Their twist on the unemployment rate was comical at best. They skewed the numbers by including all the temp holiday help along with dropping those folks who no longer qualify for benefits.....let's wait for the Jan/Feb numbers to see where we stand.

chiefburg wrote:





I think the government numbers already do that. No need for the media to twist it.
DrMaddVibe
14 years ago



I didn't say Paul was a racist either. I'm saying the campaign had ads on the site.

FuzzNJ wrote:




Really?

Then why are you running with this from 2007? A money bomb ad that get's placed wherever...sure you've NEVER been on other boards and seen ads that made you scratch your head, but in your case...prolly not. You don't get out much.

"Stormfront is a National Socialist website. Ron Paul is a libertarian- about as far away from National Socialism as you can get. They support Paul because he believes in a non-interventionist foreign policy, and indirectly, that position has the effect of ending US subsidies to Israel (a key sticking point to the stormfront folks). But Ron also supports ending the handouts to Egypt, The House of Saud, and Jordan too. His position comes from principle, not hate. When Israel bombed Iraq’s nuclear reactor in the early 80′s, Paul was one of the few US Congressmen who refused to denounce them. I suggest you look a little deeper in to Ron Paul’s positions before writing him off. Ending the War in Iraq, Ending the War on Drugs, Abolishing the Income Tax, Repealing he Patriot Act, Restoring Civil Liberties… are these idiotic positions?"

That's a reply from one of your links.

You're really not very good at disseminating information on the web.
FuzzNJ
14 years ago

Well Fuzzy, how about shedding some light on your view? If us Libertarians are not the ones upholding the values and principles of our Founding Fathers, then in your opinion, which political group does?

dpnewell wrote:



I never said the founding fathers didn't have some principles that the libertarian party has today. I agree with several of the statement of principles the Libertarian party has on their platform, especially the social issues.

Now the founding fathers started with a set of principles that were and are the best we have had so far in history, but that doesn't mean they were sent from heaven and everything they said or thought is scripture. It's not a productive pursuit to speak to the founding father's 'thoughts' as a lot of what people attribute to the founding fathers now is based on their view of the world today forcing those ideas on the FF's. Truth is they based their ideas on the situation over 200 years ago and knew they couldn't forsee it all so they added the ammendment process to the constitution. Having said that, no I didn't say that I think we should get rid of the constitution, and yes I do think that the FF's principles were sound and should not be dismissed.

And no party does or holds the 'true' founder's vision as the definition of 'true' is based on your perspective. The only proof of this required is when those on the right who say they are the protectors of the constitution while offering ammendment after ammendment to fit their world view now with regards to marriage, abortion, citizenship etc.

Sorry if you think that's too nuanced, but it's just the way it is.
FuzzNJ
14 years ago

I would bet that Ron Paul, with all his faults and quirks, would be three times the POTUS that Obama has been.

chiefburg wrote:



Wish there was a way to legitimately make that bet.
DrMaddVibe
14 years ago

I never said the founding fathers didn't have some principles that the libertarian party has today. I agree with several of the statement of principles the Libertarian party has on their platform, especially the social issues.

Now the founding fathers started with a set of principles that were and are the best we have had so far in history, but that doesn't mean they were sent from heaven and everything they said or thought is scripture. It's not a productive pursuit to speak to the founding father's 'thoughts' as a lot of what people attribute to the founding fathers now is based on their view of the world today forcing those ideas on the FF's. Truth is they based their ideas on the situation over 200 years ago and knew they couldn't forsee it all so they added the ammendment process to the constitution. Having said that, no I didn't say that I think we should get rid of the constitution, and yes I do think that the FF's principles were sound and should not be dismissed.

And no party does or holds the 'true' founder's vision as the definition of 'true' is based on your perspective. The only proof of this required is when those on the right who say they are the protectors of the constitution while offering ammendment after ammendment to fit their world view now with regards to marriage, abortion, citizenship etc.

Sorry if you think that's too nuanced, but it's just the way it is.

FuzzNJ wrote:




Yet you really feel that Owedumba is closer aligned to the FF's and the documents they wrote than Dr. Paul?
yardobeef
14 years ago
Easy, just get all of your liberal friends to vote for Ron Paul. When they ask you why? Just say that you need to settle a bet.

Everybody wins!

DrMaddVibe
14 years ago

Easy, just get all of your liberal friends to vote for Ron Paul. When they ask you why? Just say that you need to settle a bet.

Everybody wins!

yardobeef wrote:





=d> =d> =d>
FuzzNJ
14 years ago

The news networks still support Obama (fr the most part). Their twist on the unemployment rate was comical at best. They skewed the numbers by including all the temp holiday help along with dropping those folks who no longer qualify for benefits.....let's wait for the Jan/Feb numbers to see where we stand.

chiefburg wrote:




You do know that happens every year regardless of who is President, right? The figures are always followed by the statement that these figures reflect seasonal employment and don't show those who no longer are looking for work every time I've read or seen them presented.

Except Fox who, when unemployment numbers are reported down to the 1/10th of a percent round up to make it look worse when Obama is President like last month when it was reportedly 8.6 they rounded up to 9.

http://cloudfront.mediamatters.org/static/images/item/fnc-ff-20111202-ninepercentunemployment.png 

Or show that 8.6 is higher than 8.8 on graphs to mislead their audience.

http://www.thegrio.com/images/Fox_News_misleading_unemployment_chart.jpg 
DrMaddVibe
14 years ago

You do know that happens every year regardless of who is President, right? The figures are always followed by the statement that these figures reflect seasonal employment and don't show those who no longer are looking for work every time I've read or seen them presented.

Except Fox who, when unemployment numbers are reported down to the 1/10th of a percent round up to make it look worse when Obama is President like last month when it was reportedly 8.6 they rounded up to 9.

http://cloudfront.mediamatters.org/static/images/item/fnc-ff-20111202-ninepercentunemployment.png 

Or show that 8.6 is higher than 8.8 on graphs to mislead their audience.

http://www.thegrio.com/images/Fox_News_misleading_unemployment_chart.jpg 

FuzzNJ wrote:




Thank God we all have you watching FoxNews for us...You Report...We'll decide.[whip]
FuzzNJ
14 years ago

Really?

DrMaddVibe wrote:



Yes, really.
FuzzNJ
14 years ago

Yet you really feel that Owedumba is closer aligned to the FF's and the documents they wrote than Dr. Paul?

DrMaddVibe wrote:



Where are you seeing these things you think I'm saying?
MACS
14 years ago

So Ron Paul = Obama x 3 ?

That doesn't sound good at all.

yardobeef wrote:



No. Obama is a NEGATIVE 3. If you multiply that times another negative three you get a positive 9.

So Ron Paul would be 9 times better than Obama.

Hope that clears things up for you.
HockeyDad
14 years ago
^Look at the fricking math major!
DrafterX
14 years ago

No. Obama is a NEGATIVE 3. If you multiply that times another negative three you get a positive 9.

So Ron Paul would be 9 times better than Obama.

MACS wrote:





:-k
so, if this is true.... how many hotwings would Mrs Ron Paul consume in a week..?? 😕
snowwolf777
14 years ago

:-k
so, if this is true.... how many hotwings would Mrs Ron Paul consume in a week..?? 😕

DrafterX wrote:




Trick question. She always gets the stuffed spud skins. And deep fried cheese sticks.

🍺

borndead1
14 years ago

Ad that appeared on Stormfront. -- The guy who runs the site created that link from Stormfront to the Paul website. It wasn't an "ad" that was bought by the Paul campaign. Do you really think anyone other than maybe David Duke would actually purchase an ad on one of the most notorious white supremacist websites on earth? Come on, man.


Paul keeps donation from white supremacist
12/19/2007 4:44:27 PM ET

WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. — Republican presidential hopeful Ron Paul has received a $500 campaign donation from a white supremacist, and the Texas congressman doesn't plan to return it, an aide said Wednesday. -- Remember in one of Michael Moore's movies where he made a check out to a candidate (I think it was Clinton, can't recall) from The Church of Satan? And the check was deposited? How many black supremacists do you think donated to Obama's campaign? How many "eco-terrorists"?

White separatist ran as Ron Paul delegate in Tennessee
March 12, 2008
By ERIK SCHELZIG
Associated Press Writer

Fuzz, do you read beyond the sexy headline?

"He didn't endorse me, he signed off on the list of volunteer delegates," Williams said.



Stormfront Radio endorses Ron Paul

How many...questionable endorsements do you think Obama got? Why did you even cut and paste this? Like I said in my previous post, the KKK endorsed McCain in 2008. So what?

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