herfidore
14 years ago

Nice try, don't you have laundry to fold or isn't time to watch you 10 easy steps for tighter buns video?

dubleuhb wrote:



Equal parts brilliant, quick wit and deep thought. [sarcasm] 🐴
HockeyDad
14 years ago
FuzzNJ smells fresh meat on this thread!
z6joker9
14 years ago
I'll split it up too so it's easier to follow.

I assumed no such thing. I was pointing out the logical inconsistencies in the argument you were making. I never even argued your A or B, said nothing about that at all.

FuzzNJ wrote:



You're right. I thought since you skimmed over those points, you didn't agree. Though I'm not sure where I made a logical inconsistency.

ALL Presidents focus on jobs, some more than others, but as a president one would have to. And all presidents promise to fix everything. If you don't think so you aren't paying attention to the primaries right now.



That's true, but we vote for the candidate we feel is most likely to fix our problem. Our largest (perceived) problem during his term has been unemployment. We elected Obama in large part because he said he could fix them, and he hasn't yet. That's why he's being judged so heavily on this one issue. We're not judging Obama on his response to the 9/11 terror attacks, because it was not a central issue during his term. Unemployment was not an issue during Bush's term, until the very end.

So? I'm not making that comparison, I'm refuting the 'Obama is worse than Bush and is responsible for all the unemployment' talking point, which is demonstrably untrue. Besides, the figure you point out is still twice as much as Obama at the same time.



I didn't know what talking point you were referring to. I just figured you were making a general observation, which I felt was skewed. But yes, while twice as much, remember that 1.6% in the 4-5% range is different than the same percentage at 7-8% range.

Ok, 'buddy', wtf? Before you said:

Excellent logic. It's nice when you can claim to argue all sides of an argument.



I guess I should have used a better word than "easier" there. If you were the president, it's easier to enable policies that drop from 8 to 4% than 4 to 0. That's because you have diminishing returns as you approach 0%, which is generally impossible to reach.

It's not as bad for the country if the rate goes from 4 to 5 as it is from 8 to 9, and it's easier to overlook that 1% at lower levels, since 4 and 5% are both low percentages. Once it hits 8, it becomes a central issue and you have to take action.
z6joker9
14 years ago
I will probably avoid clicking on political threads from now on.
ZRX1200
14 years ago
Hehe.....poor joker thought he could talk to Fuzzy!
yardobeef
14 years ago

We could, but then again we would be comparing apples to apples. If you would like to bring in those numbers that would be cool too because it would show an even bigger difference in the two administrations. And yes, I've looked at those figures as well. If that's a tangent you would like to go down, please feel free.

FuzzNJ wrote:



Hey thanks for skipping the core concept of my post and focusing on the beginning, where I specifically stated it wasn't worth the effort. But hey, since you wanted to take us there: Fine, I will grant you that a portion of the jobs lost under the current administration have returned. However part of the current dip in unemployment is not related to job creation but to those leaving the workforce:

http://rortybomb.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/alternative_unemployment.png 

As I said, though, I don't think that the pres is the key factor in all of this.
yardobeef
14 years ago

I will probably avoid clicking on political threads from now on.

z6joker9 wrote:




😂
Stinkdyr
14 years ago
shadowstats.com
ZRX1200
14 years ago
^ good site.
DrMaddVibe
14 years ago

The unemployment rate has dropped by 1.2% in the last year if we'd like to talk about 'trends'.

FuzzNJ wrote:




and the debt is now 15 trillion! Yeah, score the win.
FuzzNJ
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14 years ago

and the debt is now 15 trillion! Yeah, score the win.

DrMaddVibe wrote:




And here I was thinking that you thought changing the subject was stupid n stuff.
FuzzNJ
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14 years ago

and the debt is now 15 trillion! Yeah, score the win.

DrMaddVibe wrote:



And, just fyi, the debt increased $6 trillion under the last administration. 2 so far with Obama. Clinton is was less than 2 during his entire administration.

And just an fyi, the debt increased by 112% under the last administration. 27% so far with Obama. 36% under Clinton, 46% under Bush Sr. and 180% under Reagan.

So yeah, you're right, it's Obama and the Democrats.
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