tweoijfoi
14 years ago

All the out of state money that goes into elections is just plain wrong IMO.

rfenst wrote:



Agreed. Whoever has the most money wins the election a frightening amount of the time. So in many ways, an out-of-stater giving money is like an out-of-stater voting.
HockeyDad
14 years ago
There should be a word for this emotion...
8trackdisco
14 years ago

There should be a word for this emotion...

HockeyDad wrote:



It is the feeling 5 minutes after an orgasm. All tingly, relaxed and happy.

My wife doesn't understand the feeling.
8trackdisco
14 years ago
THIS is killa!



Canada Bracing for Massive Influx of Wisconsin Boat People

OTTAWA (The Borowitz Report) – The Canadian coast guard was on alert today, preparing for what it fears could be a massive invasion of boat people from Wisconsin.

Conor McGlindon, commander of the Royal Canadian Mounted Coast Guard (RCMCG), said that satellite photos had revealed a “substantial flotilla” in the making, as Wisconsinites prepared to flee their state for their neighbor to the North.

“Word has gotten around that we have policemen, firemen, and basic school lunches up here,” Mr. McGlindon said. “You can’t blame these boat people for seeking a better life. But we are under orders to intercept them.”

In Canada, officials fear that refugees from Wisconsin will brave the treacherous journey across Lake Superior in the hopes of giving birth to so-called “anchor babies” on Canadian soil.

Mr. McGlindon offered reporters a look at satellite photos showing the boat people larding their vessels with wheels of premium cheddar cheese, possibly in the hopes of bribing Canadian officials on Superior’s northern shore.

http://www.borowitzreport.com/2012/06/05/canada-bracing-for-wisconsin-boat-people 
rfenst
14 years ago

It is the feeling 5 minutes after an orgasm. All tingly, relaxed and happy.

My wife doesn't understand the feeling.

8trackdisco wrote:



Are you still unable to fulfill your duties for her?
rfenst
14 years ago

Agreed. Whoever has the most money wins the election a frightening amount of the time. So in many ways, an out-of-stater giving money is like an out-of-stater voting.

tweoijfoi wrote:



I think the idea of out of state interests and political organizations need to mind their own damn business. We have three state supreme court justices who are up for retention in November. there are millions and millions of dollars pouring in to our state to try to unseat them over dissatisfaction with a few Opinions, one involving the constitutionality of an anti-Obama Care ballot issue or the like. Their positions are appointed by the governor. No sitting justice has ever been voted out before. And, we have a governor who has already tried to politically stack the state supreme court and other courts by changing the law/constitution to give the governor even greater authority in the judicial appointment process. The interference in our state's judicial issues bother me to no avail.
8trackdisco
14 years ago

Are you still unable to fulfill your duties for her?

rfenst wrote:



I properly set (extremely low) expectations looooong ago.
tweoijfoi
14 years ago

Are you still unable to fulfill your duties for her?

rfenst wrote:



She keeps calling me and I keep screening her calls. ✋
tweoijfoi
14 years ago

I think the idea of out of state interests and political organizations need to mind their own damn business. We have three state supreme court justices who are up for retention in November. there are millions and millions of dollars pouring in to our state to try to unseat them over dissatisfaction with a few Opinions, one involving the constitutionality of an anti-Obama Care ballot issue or the like. Their positions are appointed by the governor. No sitting justice has ever been voted out before. And, we have a governor who has already tried to politically stack the state supreme court and other courts by changing the law/constitution to give the governor even greater authority in the judicial appointment process. The interference in our state's judicial issues bother me to no avail.

rfenst wrote:



That's crazy. It's like a game to see how much money can be spent to game the system. No wonder we are going broke. We've taken democracy and merged it with capitalism. There's nothing you can't [try to] buy.
FuzzNJ
14 years ago
"Last week, the Supreme Court reversed a century of law to open the floodgates for special interests - including foreign corporations - to spend without limit in our elections," Obama said. "Well I don't think American elections should be bankrolled by America's most powerful interests, or worse, by foreign entities. They should be decided by the American people, and that's why I'd urge Democrats and Republicans to pass a bill to correct some of these problems."

There was some strong applause from members of Congress -- with both sides of the chamber rising to their feet with applause. The Justices -- all there except Scalia and Thomas -- sat in silence (as is their custom), but at the beginning of the exchange, Justice Alito can be seen shaking his head and mouthing words that seem to resemble "not true."
ZRX1200
14 years ago
He IS a liar.

Liar.

Burkha on fire.
wheelrite
14 years ago

It is the feeling 5 minutes after an orgasm. All tingly, relaxed and happy.

My wife doesn't understand the feeling.

8trackdisco wrote:



she shouldn't...

If she did your car would never get detailed...
rfenst
14 years ago

"Last week, the Supreme Court reversed a century of law to open the floodgates for special interests - including foreign corporations - to spend without limit in our elections," Obama said. "Well I don't think American elections should be bankrolled by America's most powerful interests, or worse, by foreign entities. They should be decided by the American people, and that's why I'd urge Democrats and Republicans to pass a bill to correct some of these problems."

There was some strong applause from members of Congress -- with both sides of the chamber rising to their feet with applause. The Justices -- all there except Scalia and Thomas -- sat in silence (as is their custom), but at the beginning of the exchange, Justice Alito can be seen shaking his head and mouthing words that seem to resemble "not true."

FuzzNJ wrote:



I see both sides of the issue. I am on the board of directors of our local trial lawyers association, which is probably the most cohesive and effective group in the state. Since we are tax exempt, we cannot support political campaigns of any sort whatsoever. But privately, we work very hard to support particular legislative and judicial candidates. maximum corporate and personal contribution for a general election is $500. Last week, for example, people from our group hosted the first fundraiser for Orlando's chief judge, who is being opposed by one person out of spite and the second who blames him for the Casey Anthony verdict.

Some can afford to stroke a check for $500 and the rest of us can't and write checks for less. But, my point is that we raised $27,000 in checks during the week before the event and the "bundle" of checks was given to the campaign treasurer. It can cost upwards of $150k to run a judicial campaign that is heavily contested here- which is totally pathetic. In a week or two, another trial lawyer law firm with 75 lawyers is holding another fundraiser for the judge. He could easily raise double what we put together for him. And, everyone will be there again to curry favor with the chief judge (and his judge-friends).

This is important because it truly is we lawyers who know who the good and bad judges are, NOT the public- which also basically could care less. So, I feel that our involvement is very important to our local judiciary. Yet, at the same time we are indeed trying to buy some influence- some as individuals and others as a whole. Surely the lawyer who threw the event will get recognition from the judge for a very long time. But, the other judges in town-perhaps 50 in total- all will know exactly what went down and how it worked out for the chief judge. This will bring them on board too. Now, I wouldn't ever expect a judge to rule in my favor when he/she shouldn't- I would just want to make certain that my client's interests and arguments before that judge get to be fully heard. The most I would ever expect would be a one time continuance on a case that might not otherwise be given. And, I would think that might happen once or twice on different cases- and that is it.

The same goes for legislative candidates. When we lobby them every session, we just want them to listen to our side of the argument. We ask that they just hold off on following their party-line vote without listening to us first. We ask that when there are issues that we truly are experts at, that we be allowed to testify just like the corporate and insurance industry representatives are. In a perfect world, none of this would be allowed influence buying would be necessary or allowed. But, that's not the real world we live in- and never will be.

Here is my point: We have become so dominant in the election/re-election arena within our community and elsewhere with our contributions and support, I really think some do get a lot more in return for our contributions and support. And to a rather large extent, this is just plain wrong.

Even thinking about all of this from the "inside", I still truly wish that all these campaigns would be adequately, publicly funded and that "legitimate" candidates receive public funding. But, this does conflict with public rights of free speech- without any doubt. And, i just cannot figure out any real way of striking some sort of balance. I don't think anyone e er will either. So, we are going to continue to see pendulous swings back and forth over the first amendment issue for many, many years to come...
wheelrite
14 years ago
Blah blah blah...

Money = Free speech...

If the commie Lib Mayor had a good plan he would've raised more money,,
rfenst
14 years ago



Money = Free speech...

wheelrite wrote:



no money = no free speech?
tweoijfoi
14 years ago

no money = no free speech?

rfenst wrote:



Haha. Yes... following that logic...

Everyone is entitled to free speech.
If money = free speech, then
Everyone is entitled to money.
DrMaddVibe
14 years ago

I see both sides of the issue. I am on the board of directors of our local trial lawyers association, which is probably the most cohesive and effective group in the state. Since we are tax exempt, we cannot support political campaigns of any sort whatsoever. But privately, we work very hard to support particular legislative and judicial candidates. maximum corporate and personal contribution for a general election is $500. Last week, for example, people from our group hosted the first fundraiser for Orlando's chief judge, who is being opposed by one person out of spite and the second who blames him for the Casey Anthony verdict.

Some can afford to stroke a check for $500 and the rest of us can't and write checks for less. But, my point is that we raised $27,000 in checks during the week before the event and the "bundle" of checks was given to the campaign treasurer. It can cost upwards of $150k to run a judicial campaign that is heavily contested here- which is totally pathetic. In a week or two, another trial lawyer law firm with 75 lawyers is holding another fundraiser for the judge. He could easily raise double what we put together for him. And, everyone will be there again to curry favor with the chief judge (and his judge-friends).

This is important because it truly is we lawyers who know who the good and bad judges are, NOT the public- which also basically could care less. So, I feel that our involvement is very important to our local judiciary. Yet, at the same time we are indeed trying to buy some influence- some as individuals and others as a whole. Surely the lawyer who threw the event will get recognition from the judge for a very long time. But, the other judges in town-perhaps 50 in total- all will know exactly what went down and how it worked out for the chief judge. This will bring them on board too. Now, I wouldn't ever expect a judge to rule in my favor when he/she shouldn't- I would just want to make certain that my client's interests and arguments before that judge get to be fully heard. The most I would ever expect would be a one time continuance on a case that might not otherwise be given. And, I would think that might happen once or twice on different cases- and that is it.

The same goes for legislative candidates. When we lobby them every session, we just want them to listen to our side of the argument. We ask that they just hold off on following their party-line vote without listening to us first. We ask that when there are issues that we truly are experts at, that we be allowed to testify just like the corporate and insurance industry representatives are. In a perfect world, none of this would be allowed influence buying would be necessary or allowed. But, that's not the real world we live in- and never will be.

Here is my point: We have become so dominant in the election/re-election arena within our community and elsewhere with our contributions and support, I really think some do get a lot more in return for our contributions and support. And to a rather large extent, this is just plain wrong.

Even thinking about all of this from the "inside", I still truly wish that all these campaigns would be adequately, publicly funded and that "legitimate" candidates receive public funding. But, this does conflict with public rights of free speech- without any doubt. And, i just cannot figure out any real way of striking some sort of balance. I don't think anyone e er will either. So, we are going to continue to see pendulous swings back and forth over the first amendment issue for many, many years to come...

rfenst wrote:







TOTAL



ARROGANCE




OUTRAGE





Thanks for being the "mouthpiece" and "compass" for the district! How did they ever get along without your all knowing and all seeing panel! You seem to feel that because you wield some lawyer super powers that a candidate will listen? You don't think that the public can form their own opinions on bad judges? Trust me they CAN! That's why they're elected!
rfenst
14 years ago

TOTAL



ARROGANCE




OUTRAGE





Thanks for being the "mouthpiece" and "compass" for the district! How did they ever get along without your all knowing and all seeing panel! You seem to feel that because you wield some lawyer super powers that a candidate will listen? You don't think that the public can form their own opinions on bad judges? Trust me they CAN! That's why they're elected!

DrMaddVibe wrote:





No. I don't think the vast majority of the public can form their own opinions on which local judicial candidates to vote for. They vote for whoever has "name recognition", whoever the newspapers endorse and sometimes who someone else recommends that they vote for- if they even vote for local judges at all. And, many, many local judges are NOT elected. Instead, they are appointed by the governor. When re-election comes around, they throw $100-200k of their own or borrowed money in to their campaign coffers as soon as they are allowed to and scare opponents away- because matching them anywhere close to dollar for dollar and having a fair chance of beating them is very, very rare- without help.

FuzzNJ
14 years ago

No. I don't think the vast majority of the public can form their own opinions on which local judicial candidates to vote for. They vote for whoever has "name recognition", whoever the newspapers endorse and sometimes who someone else recommends that they vote for- if they even vote for local judges at all. And, many, many local judges are NOT elected. Instead, they are appointed by the governor. When re-election comes around, they throw $100-200k of their own or borrowed money in to their campaign coffers as soon as they are allowed to and scare opponents away- because matching them anywhere close to dollar for dollar and having a fair chance of beating them is very, very rare- without help.

rfenst wrote:



lol at the attempt to answer that seriously
Mrs.Tank
14 years ago

I thought you were serious earlier.

There was no recall in progress before Walker took the oath of office. just a bunch of bunk.

you would expect with all this information available 24/7 in seconds people would be less inclined to believe rumors and conspiracies, but obviously not. If anything it's worse.

FuzzNJ wrote:





recallscottwalker.com was registered in Nov 2010.


However the real push for his recall came in Feb 2011.


In my research, I found documentation that the gentleman who registered the website did not have anything to do with the recall, he just registered the name when Walker got elected.


my eyes now hurt from all of that reading.


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