HockeyDad
14 years ago
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cacman
14 years ago
unneccessary rant...

When the guberment FORCES you to purchase something and threaten you with a HUGE tax if you don't buy it... there will be no stopping them from abusing that power. Freakin Romney did the SAME thing is Mass.

If it is such a great plan, then every person in the guberment should be on the same healthcare plan as every other American.

SO GET OFF MY BACK!!! [ram27bat]
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DrMaddVibe
14 years ago

Where it stops non one knows.

Precedent...it's what they wanted.

DrMaddVibe wrote:





OwedumbaCare gave anyone what they were looking for. Today its the world's largest tax, tomorrow it's that you have to eat broccoli...next week you have to wear your underware on the outside of your pants...given the sheer lunacy that America is under with is litigious and tax laden propensities they'll use it to ram down whatever they want...for the children.


Only the fools, idiots and beggars are rejoicing the Supreme Court's decision in this.
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DrafterX
14 years ago
I pity the fools..... 😟
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DrMaddVibe
14 years ago

I pity the fools..... 😟

DrafterX wrote:




Not me!


**** 'em!
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Kawak
14 years ago
Elections have consequences!! Tell a friend.


Despite the court ruling, there is still a chance that Republicans in Congress can repeal much of the law next year even if they don't have a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate. Because Chief Justice John Roberts ruled that the mandate to purchase health insurance—one of the key provisions of the law—was a tax, Republicans can use a procedure called "budget reconciliation" to pass a repeal bill that requires only a simple majority to pass. But this scenario relies on the Republicans' ability to win the White House, keep the majority in the House and gain enough seats in the Senate.
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jojoc
14 years ago

Elections have consequences!! Tell a friend.


Despite the court ruling, there is still a chance that Republicans in Congress can repeal much of the law next year even if they don't have a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate. Because Chief Justice John Roberts ruled that the mandate to purchase health insurance—one of the key provisions of the law—was a tax, Republicans can use a procedure called "budget reconciliation" to pass a repeal bill that requires only a simple majority to pass. But this scenario relies on the Republicans' ability to win the White House, keep the majority in the House and gain enough seats in the Senate.

Kawak wrote:




for better or worse, this bill is here to stay. Despite the republican/tea party banter, repeal will not happen. Starting next year, there will be a never-ending stream of modifications to the law --- modify, remove and add to. There is not enough political will to repeal and take away the aspects of the law that the majority of people like (even if it does not affect them):
-- no pre-existing condition exclusions
-- stay on parents policy until age 26
-- no lifetime max payout
Unfortunately, these benefits have and will continue to drive up the cost of insurance, particularly for those who are on individual/family policies rather than group policies.
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HockeyDad
14 years ago


-- no pre-existing condition exclusions
-- stay on parents policy until age 26
-- no lifetime max payout
Unfortunately, these benefits have and will continue to drive up the cost of insurance, particularly for those who are on individual/family policies rather than group policies.

jojoc wrote:




You just wait a gosh-darned minute......you mean those things aren't free????
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DrMaddVibe
14 years ago

You just wait a gosh-darned minute......you mean those things aren't free????

HockeyDad wrote:





I want my ****ing unicorn ride!!!!!🐴
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ZRX1200
14 years ago
You have to put enough salt and pepper on a shīt sandwich for the people.

Making costs rise IS THE POINT.


this is how they get to single payer. No private insurance = no choice in outcome.

"It will take about 10 years, but we'll get there (single payer)"
~Barry Soetoro
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jojoc
14 years ago

You just wait a gosh-darned minute......you mean those things aren't free????

HockeyDad wrote:




LOL

My wife posted something about this bill causing insurance premiums to go up on her facebook page. A couple of the responses just made me laugh (except that they were serious). "your insurance premium increases have nothing to do with this act." 😣 😣 😣 😣 😣 😣 😣 😣 😣 😣 😣 😣

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FuzzNJ
14 years ago

You have to put enough salt and pepper on a shīt sandwich for the people.

Making costs rise IS THE POINT.


this is how they get to single payer. No private insurance = no choice in outcome.

"It will take about 10 years, but we'll get there (single payer)"
~Barry Soetoro

ZRX1200 wrote:



Single payer will be the end result, but that's not the horror you are envisioning.
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RICKAMAVEN
14 years ago
CACMAN
YO YO

The minimum penalty per person will start at $95 in 2014, the first year that the law will require
individuals to obtain coverage. And it will rise to $325 the following year.

AS AN EMPLOYEE I ASSUME YOU HAVE INSURANCE3, SO THE PENALTY/TAX IS
IRELLEVANT TO YOU.

"I am not FORCED to buy gas" JOG OR BICYCLE TO WORK..

NO MCDONALDS WITHIN 100 MILES? I LIVE IN A SMALL TOWN WHITTIER CA, AND I
HAVE TWO OR THREE WITHIN 7 MILES OF ME. WHERE CAN YOU LIVE WHERE
FRANCHISE FOOD HASN'T FOUND YOU, ON GUAM OR IWO JIMA.

DOESN'T MATTER TO ME I ATE THEIR TWICE.

FAST FOOD IN N OUT, TACO BELL. A LITTLE SLOWER THE RED LOBSTER. THE
SLOWEST ME AND MY FOREMAN GRILL AMD TWO FILET'S

I ONLY WATCH RACHEL AND LAWRENCE, THE YOUNG TURKS AND A FEW MORE4 MIDDLE
OF THE ROAD PUNDITS.

I ONLY WATCH HANNITY AND REILLY ON UTUBE WHEN IT SAYS JESSE VENTURA OR
ANYBODY OWENS THEM AND ONLY SEE CLIPS OF DRUG ADDICTED SERIAL MARRIER,
AND GENERALLY NASTY SOB RUSH. I WONDER IF HIS BRIDE'S SIGN A PRE-NUP. IF
NOT THEY ARE DUMBER THEN DIRT..

INCIDENTLY I SPOKE TO YOU WITH COURTESY AND POLITELY BECAUSE I DID NOT
RECOGNIZE YOU AS ONE OF THE IGNORANT NO ACCOUNT DUMB ASSES THAT
ABOUND THIS BOARD. I THINK I WAS RIGHT.
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FuzzNJ
14 years ago
The Republicans want something for nothing here.

Part of Romney's statement:

"What are some of the things that we'll keep in place and must be in place in a reform, a real reform of our health care system? One, we have to make sure that people who want to keep their current insurance will be able to do so. Having 20 million people --
up to that number of people lose the insurance they want is simply unacceptable.

No. 2, got to make sure that those people who have preexisting conditions know that they will be able to be insured and they will not lose their insurance.

We also have to assure that we do our very best to help each state in their effort to assure that every American has access to
affordable health care."

How are we going to do all that and cut taxes?


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ZRX1200
14 years ago
Republicans don't want it both ways.

Some politicians are trying to get votes you ignorant slut.
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FuzzNJ
14 years ago

Republicans don't want it both ways.

Some politicians are trying to get votes you ignorant slut.

ZRX1200 wrote:



So, it's a lie then? That's better! I was worried they wanted to spend money they didn't have again like under the last administration. You remember that one right? The one that put us in the economic mess we're in now?
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jojoc
14 years ago

So, it's a lie then? That's better! I was worried they wanted to spend money they didn't have again like under the last administration. You remember that one right? The one that put us in the economic mess we're in now?

FuzzNJ wrote:




actually, the administration had very little to do with the current economic mess we are in. more to do with Americans as a whole spending more than they make for 20+ years, savings rates at very low and sometimes neg. rates, buying things simply because a bank said they could, walking away from promises to pay when things did not turn out as planned, .....


Government policies play a roll, but we the people are responsible for the economic choices we make.


Rep/dem/left/right/tea/lib, power corrupts .......
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ZRX1200
14 years ago
Yeah.






Me buying stuff makes the national debt rise......... it's kinda like bread. In fact the federal government has a yeast infection.
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jojoc
14 years ago

Yeah.






Me buying stuff makes the national debt rise......... it's kinda like bread. In fact the federal government has a yeast infection.

ZRX1200 wrote:




although I do not like the national debt, it is not the cause of our economic problems (yet)
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FuzzNJ
14 years ago

actually, the administration had very little to do with the current economic mess we are in. more to do with Americans as a whole spending more than they make for 20+ years, savings rates at very low and sometimes neg. rates, buying things simply because a bank said they could, walking away from promises to pay when things did not turn out as planned, .....


Government policies play a roll, but we the people are responsible for the economic choices we make.


Rep/dem/left/right/tea/lib, power corrupts .......

jojoc wrote:



heh, that certainly had something to do with it, but it wasn't the cause, that was a symptom of our policies. Our policies have everything to do with how the economy reacts and works, everything.

The problem is it is not a science and what should be a logical conversation and/or argument is wrapped up only in ideological bull$hit and fingerpointing, not what's best for the actual people, which would of course be some kind of mix of what just f*cking works. Instead we're fighting over no government/more government which keeps everyone from seeing we're being screwed.
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