Why are we wishing on the idiots?

^ idiot

A direct cited quote:
"The Treasury Department on Feb. 14 released the IRS budget request for fiscal year 2012 that shows the agency is seeking 1,269 full-time equivalent employees (FTEs) at a cost of $473 million to help implement the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act. That includes 291 IRS agents, most of them (193) to "ensure accurate delivery of tax credits." For more information, read our Ask FactCheck, "IRS and the Health Care Law, Part II.""

291 agents in 2012. Unless they're planning on hiring 15,700 in the next 3 years, that's a bit different than 16000.

It explains EXACTLY the method by which the originator of that crappy number came up with the estimate, they based it off the estimated budget requirements the IRS gave congress, but they neglected a number of factors. Their faulty estimate was further conflated by idiots that didn't understand the method by which they made the estimate.

Hell, the personnel estimate was made off of the budget request, and you can ALREADY see idiots here then further inflating it by assuming that it will require additional infrastructure and non-agent personnel (if you'll read the link, that would already be built into the IRS budget estimate).

So each of the 1269 FTEs costs


$372,734.44




Ok Victor.

Oooooooh.....can I get a job with those wages? And, do I have to vote Democrat to get/keep the job?????

You dont have to. But you'll be bullied at your union meetings/Obama rallies.

Huh? You're blaming me for a DIRECT quote from the IRS office?

You do realize that overhead on employees is significant, right? (rental of office space in DC???)
You do realize that there are probably significant software updates necessary to incorporate this healthcare bill, right?
A lot of data infrastructure that needs to be updated, which is likely paid out to contractors. Those 1269 FTEs are not likely doing that work. Accenture probably is, at $250 - $500 an hour.

Do I think it's inefficient? Yes. But that's not the argument. Less than 300 agents have actually been hired to handle the tax issue this year. Unless we're going to increase the number of tax-payers by 10-fold, the number of necessary agents is never going to reach anything close to 16000.

If someone wants to bitch that the IRS has spent almost 500million on the healthcare tax law, that's fine. That's an actual fact.

Source ; The office of Harry Reid, that's credible.

Oh.....so the 473 MILLION is really only for 291the emoloyees. Thats MUCH better.

looks like I need to get me an application for the IRS

HOPE and CHANGE!

...as in, we'd better HOPE that we at least have some spare CHANGE in our pockets by the time FEDGOV is done shaking the makers down for the benefit of the takers.

1625429.6 per FTE.

That's not what I said, nor is that what's in the quote.

Come on, this isn't rocket science.

There are only two facts we know:

1269 new employees were hired.
A total of 473 million is needed by the IRS in 2012 to handle the tax impact of the Healthcare act

Bitch about one or the other of these two facts, but don't try to turn them into something they aren't.

I f-ing swear... reading comprehension has never been strong with the people on this forum. Didn't you people take the SATs at some time in your life????

No Victor, you said 1269 then changed it to 291 now its 1269 again?

When I took the SATs they didnt let me change my answers after I handed it in.

Guess rugby players really are a protected class. Must be nice.

Reread.

1269 employees
291 agents.

Reading comprehension....
Let me walk you through this.


An agent is an employee.
An employee is not necessarily always an agent.

If there are 291 new agents, but 1269 total new employees, how many new employees are NOT agents?

Can you figure out the correct answer?

Bad day?

So then my first number you argued about was right. Thanks for admitting I was right to begin with that's sweet of you to come around.

I'm wondering what is going to happen with all the wavers that were issued because now that it is considered a tax I don't think you can get a federal tax waver....

If they met minnimum BHO donations they'll be o.k

Nothing you have said has been right so far.

Follow the link to the 2012 IRS budget proposal if you want to actually see the correct answer and how it breaks down (I warn you, it is much more complicated than "Agents are employees, but not all employees are agents".)

All I ever f-ing ask for is for people to understand what is and what is not a f-ing fact. People are making up bad numbers and then basing their statements on even worse understanding of an already bad number. It just makes our entire population sound like f-ing morons.

So now your taking it back?



Indian giver.