pdxstogieman
13 years ago

^16. Anti-Semite card? WTF? Nowhere in that post did I accuse anyone of being anti-Semitic. It's called a joke, and the reason that it is a joke is because there isn't really a Jew convention, get it?

Maybe you're just feeling guilty? I dunno.

Mathen wrote:



I'm not feeling guilty at all. It was pretty clear your reply was sarcastic. Seemed like it was intended to portray that my post you were responding to was somehow alleging there IS a Jew convention. Maybe I just don't get the point of your response at all, perhaps you could enlighten me.
pdxstogieman
13 years ago

You are going to have to quote or point out what you have referred to. I breezed through the first and second papers, but saw nothing of what you write

rfenst wrote:



The wikipedia link I posted in #16 probably addresses what I was talking about more directly and within that, that following:

"In United States politics, Christian Zionism is important because it mobilises an important Republican constituency: fundamentalist and evangelical Protestants who support Israel. The Democratic Party, which has the support of most American Jews, is also generally pro-Israel, but with less intensity and fewer theological underpinnings.

Sociologically, Christian Zionism can be seen as a product of the peculiar circumstances of the United States, in which the world's largest community of Jews lives side by side with the world's largest community of evangelical Christians. There has historically been a somewhat antagonistic relationship between these two communities, largely based on the generally liberal/progressive social policy tendencies of the Jewish community with the more 'rugged individualist' leanings of the American Protestant communities, more so than any theological dispute. Their mutual reverence for the texts of the Hebrew Bible has brought them together, however, as has their common ground against generally leftist pro-Palestinian and/or anti-Israeli factions in American politics.

The mobilisation of evangelicals has tended to bolster the so-called neo-conservative policies of the Republicans, because Christian Zionists tend to favor a hawkish foreign policy and have less sympathy for Palestinian claims than do the Democrats.

Examples of Christian leaders combining political conservatism with Christian Zionism are Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson, leading figures of the Christian Right in the 1980s and 1990s. Falwell said in 1981: "To stand against Israel is to stand against God. We believe that history and scripture prove that God deals with nations in relation to how they deal with Israel." They cite part of Book of Genesis (27:29) Those who curse you [Israel] will be cursed, and those who bless you will be blessed. (HCSB) as prooftext.

The government of Israel has given official encouragement to Christian Zionism, allowing the establishment in 1980 of the International Christian Embassy Jerusalem. The main function of the embassy is to enlist worldwide Christian support for Israel. The embassy has raised funds to help finance Jewish immigration to Israel from the former Soviet Union, and has assisted Zionist groups in establishing Jewish settlements in the West Bank."

HockeyDad
13 years ago
I'll sell you some "Guilt Credits". Each credit is equal to one US bomb dropped on Iran.

Signed: Bengie Netanyahoo
pdxstogieman
13 years ago

I'll sell you some "Guilt Credits". Each credit is equal to one US bomb dropped on Iran.

Signed: Bengie Netanyahoo

HockeyDad wrote:



Offer is void where prohibited. Must be present to win.
frankj1
13 years ago

I'm not feeling guilty at all. It was pretty clear your reply was sarcastic. Seemed like it was intended to portray that my post you were responding to was somehow alleging there IS a Jew convention. Maybe I just don't get the point of your response at all, perhaps you could enlighten me.

pdxstogieman wrote:


slow down, please. mathen's attempt at humor in #6 was a reply to Rfenst"s question about your 12 tribes comment in #4. Robert asked who were these people, Mathen jumped in, claimed he was one of them. Mathen was truly being funny...I thought. He replied that he was one of the tribe you referenced, and that the resolution passed at the Jewboree or whatever. I dunno, I laughed and asked if it was held in the Catskills. Many will get the reference.

As you point out, it is true that there are certain "brands" of Christianity that have hitched their wagons of afterlife hopes to Israel's eventually inheritance of all God promised the Chosen People, or something like that. I will avoid that discussion. But you are also correct that many American Jews are uncomfortable with those particular cheerleaders. But neither is the group that ultimately defines policy...sometimes it's just clear who is trying to wipe you out vs who may make mistakes, without a neo-"master plan".
pdxstogieman
13 years ago

slow down, please. mathen's attempt at humor in #6 was a reply to Rfenst"s question about your 12 tribes comment in #4. Robert asked who were these people, Mathen jumped in, claimed he was one of them. Mathen was truly being funny...I thought. He replied that he was one of the tribe you referenced, and that the resolution passed at the Jewboree or whatever. I dunno, I laughed and asked if it was held in the Catskills. Many will get the reference.

As you point out, it is true that there are certain "brands" of Christianity that have hitched their wagons of afterlife hopes to Israel's eventually inheritance of all God promised the Chosen People, or something like that. I will avoid that discussion. But you are also correct that many American Jews are uncomfortable with those particular cheerleaders. But neither is the group that ultimately defines policy...sometimes it's just clear who is trying to wipe you out vs who may make mistakes, without a neo-"master plan".

frankj1 wrote:



Ok. You confirmed that I really didn't understand Mathen's comment when I originally read it. My mistake. Your comments make it clear that you understand who the evangelical politicos are that I was referring to in less endearing terms which prompted rfenst to ask me to clarify who I was talking about.
Stinkdyr
13 years ago
War for Israel now!!!

Quick, send your sons and daughters and tax $$ now!!


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