victor809
13 years ago

read Billy Bud and Bartelby the Scrivener if you're a Melville reader... (if you have'nt already)

wheelrite wrote:



I might try it. Not particularly impressed with Melville so far (based on Moby ******). About the time I sat reading through a completely inaccurate reclassification of whales based on the authors' whim, I got a bit pissed.
wheelrite
13 years ago

I might try it. Not particularly impressed with Melville so far (based on Moby ******). About the time I sat reading through a completely inaccurate reclassification of whales based on the authors' whim, I got a bit pissed.

victor809 wrote:



Moby ****** for Melville is like Tarentino's most profitable movie, decent but not his best...





Herman Melville’s stories of Moby ****** and Bartleby share a stark number of similarities and differences. Certain aspects of each piece seem to compliment each other, giving the reader insight to the underlying themes and images. There are three concepts that pervade the two stories making them build upon each other. In both Moby ****** and Bartleby the main characters must learn how to deal with an antagonist, decide how involved they are in their professions, and come to terms with a lack of resolution.

Ahab is dedicated towards regaining control of his life by conquering the whale. His obsession with Moby ****** is what fuels his desire to spend months and months at sea. Ahab is so involved that he tries to get into the mind of the whale. He becomes obsessed with the whale’s every move. Similarly, the narrator is highly analytical of Bartleby’s behavior. He feels the need to know exactly what it is that makes Bartleby ‘tick’. Eventually the narrator is mentally defeated by Bartleby and is forced to change the location of his offices in order to avoid him. Ahab on the other hand is constantly chasing his antagonist and does whatever he can to get closer to Moby ******.



The amount of involvement in one’s profession is another important theme in the two stories. Ahab takes his job as a whaler quite seriously. He is obsessed by the desire to destroy the whale that shattered his life. In contrast, the narrator of Bartleby does not seem to be quite as involved. In the opening paragraph he refers to his job as an ‘avocation’ implying a lack of seriousness in it. Both Ahab and the narrator’s lives are damaged by what they come across in their professions. Ahab sees Moby ****** as something he must destroy to regain what he has lost in his life, specifically his freedom and mastery over his world. Eventually Ahab is destroyed by his profession which was centered on his desire for revenge. Bartleby’s entrance into the life of the narrator puts a huge strain on his profession. In fact he must retreat from Bartleby in order to regain control of his life. The narrator says “I must quit him, I will change my offices.”

Both Ahab and the narrator are plagued by a lack of resolution in their lives. Ahab was mentally defeated by Moby ******. He made it his life goal to destroy the whale that took his leg. His obsession became all encompassing and lead to his eventual demise. Similarly, the narrator is unable to comprehend Bartleby’s world. Bartleby’s behavior starts to drive the narrator crazy. Finally when Bartleby dies, the narrator is left with unsettling emotions and is still filled with questions. Ahab’s death leaves his life’s work unsettled. The focus of his life, the whale, overcomes him in the end. This is because Ahab is completely unwilling to settle for anything less than a fight to the death with Moby ******.

Although the two stories have such a different subject matter, it is quite remarkable that such parallels exist. The fact that such universal themes exist in both stories is what makes them such an important part of literature.





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riverdog
13 years ago
Finishing Guy Vanderhaeghe's "A Good Man", last volume in his "border trilogy". Very good stuff.
Ndill
13 years ago
Book 4 in the dark tower series "wizard and glass"
fishinguitarman
13 years ago
Bass Pro Shops catalog...
8trackdisco
13 years ago
Sick Puppy- Carl Hiaasen
jackconrad
13 years ago
Classic XMEN Vol 2

A-Z Drugs

GEEK Magazine
fiddler898
13 years ago
^wheel,,,
Bartleby +2. Huge Moby ****** fan, but Bartleby nails it.

"I prefer not to."

A,,,
wheelrite
13 years ago

^wheel,,,
Bartleby +2. Huge Moby ****** fan, but Bartleby nails it.

"I prefer not to."

A,,,

fiddler898 wrote:



Yes !

ya know I am drastically misunderstood here,,,,
frankj1
13 years ago

Playboy.

Say, they interviewed Richard Dawkins this month - how cool is that!

Brewha wrote:


when you're done, I call next.
wheelrite
13 years ago

when you're done, I call next.

frankj1 wrote:



you are sick..
who wants a crusty antiquated soft porn magazine ?
kcramer
13 years ago
Just read American Sniper and ZOO last week. Pretty good in my opinion.
ZRX1200
13 years ago
victor809
13 years ago
Just finished Pump Six. If you're into Sci Fi, dystopian future stuff it's a definitely worthwhile collection of short stories. Some of which tie into his novel The Windup Girl.

At 60% with Moby ******. The author's obsession with whales is worse than Ahab's.
bloody spaniard
13 years ago
Read CI mag once years ago. Found the photos of CI "gangsters" amusing.


Also reading the Bible from cover to cover for the first time- despite taking years of theology (and Latin) in Catholic school. Currently on Jeremiah (Old Testament).

Remember being mesmerized by Melville's Moby ****** when I was 13 or 14. Good book. Movie w/ Gregory Peck more odd than good.
rumraider
13 years ago
You guys know that Moby ****** was written by a guy fighting his homosexuality and the book itself is about both enjoying homosexuality and struggling to be free from it, right? The relationship between Ishmael and Queequeg (sp?) is the main theme about enjoying it while the fight between Ahab and the whale is the fighting it part.
SamWidge
13 years ago
I'm reading Mere Christianity by C.S. Lewis.
smokestaxx
13 years ago
bloody spaniard
13 years ago

You guys know that Moby ****** was written by a guy fighting his homosexuality and the book itself is about both enjoying homosexuality and struggling to be free from it, right? The relationship between Ishmael and Queequeg (sp?) is the main theme about enjoying it while the fight between Ahab and the whale is the fighting it part.

rumraider wrote:




You made that up because of the title, dintcha? Also can't accept the fact that something that large can be white or that a straight man named Queequeg loves intimate walks on the poopdeck? Bastid.🤨
rumraider
13 years ago

You made that up because of the title, dintcha? Also can't accept the fact that something that large can be white or that a straight man named Queequeg loves intimate walks on the poopdeck? Bastid.🤨

bloody spaniard wrote:




😂
Are you sure actual wittiness is allowed here?
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