ZRX1200
13 years ago
I only eat babies that were pitchforked by brown people.


Screw whitey.
jpotts
13 years ago
BTW - another grade-school science kinda thing - most rocket propellants (fuels) are not O2-based. O2 is the oxidizer, the propellant (fuel) is generally something else like liquid Hydrogen (which is ALSO lighter than CO2).

But I'm sure that the best rocket fuel is made out of Owls.

An Teedubbya, your apology is accepted.
teedubbya
13 years ago
^ self proclaimed rocket scientist
DrafterX
13 years ago
I heard owls sometimes spontaneously combust.... 😟
victor809
13 years ago

Victor, Victor, Victor...

My assertion about the number of scientists that reject man-made client change is about as provable as your following statement:

"...but to be so certain that man-made climate change is a myth, based on what I'm gonna assume is a high-school level science education, when large numbers of scientists who have dedicated their life to the topic believe otherwise, simply because you're sure they're all trying to conspire against you... well that's some interesting hubris."

There were LOTS of Nazi scientists that had some very interesting views on Eugenics and racial profiles. Just because a lot of scientists dedicate their life to something doesn't mean that they are either knowledgable or correct. So, you can spin your BS they way you like, I can counter with just as much BS. Please, sell your snake oil somewhere else.

jpotts wrote:



Hang on... what argument are you going with? The "there's no consensus" argument, or the "millions of evil nazis were a consensus too!" argument? because you can't choose both.

You do realize that just saying "lots of people agreed on something that was proven wrong" is not a logical demonstration that the existing argument is incorrect. You understand that, right?


And I LOVE this one:

"...because they can't demonstrate to you how C02 gets into the upper atmosphere, since it's denser than 02?"

You know, Victor, for someone with such a condescending attitude towards people with "high-school level" educations in science, you should know that there is a distinction between mass (weight) and density (weight and volume). I specified weight. You chose "density," which requires a specific volume.

....


I misspoke. I understand the properties of phases, likely better than you... oh I forgot, you did IT work for a physics department once, so you're an expert.


But hey, if you want evidence about the number of climate change skeptics, here's a start:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124597505076157449.html 

The number of skeptics, far from shrinking, is swelling. Oklahoma Sen. Jim Inhofe now counts more than 700 scientists who disagree with the U.N. -- 13 times the number who authored the U.N.'s 2007 climate summary for policymakers. Joanne Simpson, the world's first woman to receive a Ph.D. in meteorology, expressed relief upon her retirement last year that she was finally free to speak "frankly" of her nonbelief. Dr. Kiminori Itoh, a Japanese environmental physical chemist who contributed to a U.N. climate report, dubs man-made warming "the worst scientific scandal in history." Norway's Ivar Giaever, Nobel Prize winner for physics, decries it as the "new religion." A group of 54 noted physicists, led by Princeton's Will Happer, is demanding the American Physical Society revise its position that the science is settled. (Both Nature and Science magazines have refused to run the physicists' open letter.)

The collapse of the "consensus" has been driven by reality. The inconvenient truth is that the earth's temperatures have flat-lined since 2001, despite growing concentrations of C02. Peer-reviewed research has debunked doomsday scenarios about the polar ice caps, hurricanes, malaria, extinctions, rising oceans. A global financial crisis has politicians taking a harder look at the science that would require them to hamstring their economies to rein in carbon.



Funny... that quote says absolutely nothing. Lets see, you've got:
1 number (with very clearly no relationship to any comparable number)
1 comparison to a completely unrelated number (comparing total number of "disagreeing scientists" with how many people authored a single policy. (Its no wonder these guys can't get grants)
A large number of anecdotes.

This is crap quotes potts.

Try this on for size:
http://tigger.uic.edu/~pdoran/012009_Doran_final.pdf 

There's your consensus, broken down by their level of experience in the field.



Victor, you of all people should know better than to play this kind of game with me.


I agree... I should know better than to argue with someone who doesn't understand math.


Face it, Victor, you've replaced a guy with a robe and staff as your prophet with some guy with a lab coat and a clipboard (and maybe a pcoet protector). But it is still the same kind of worship to a god you cannot see, hear, or touch. So you're no better than the people of faith you routinely mock.


ah yes... the "science is religion" argument.
Its an invalid argument. Only an idiot with no understanding of the scientific process would think they are the same thing.
teedubbya
13 years ago
I thought he was a dentist?
victor809
13 years ago

BTW - another grade-school science kinda thing - most rocket propellants (fuels) are not O2-based. O2 is the oxidizer, the propellant (fuel) is generally something else like liquid Hydrogen (which is ALSO lighter than CO2).

But I'm sure that the best rocket fuel is made out of Owls.

An Teedubbya, your apology is accepted.

jpotts wrote:



Oh NOES! You caught me on a silly quip! Rockets carry their own O2, so they can make it through your miraculous stratified atmosphere!!! Still going to blow up when they reach the O2 strata... so kinda irrelevant isn't it?
victor809
13 years ago


And yes, CO2 is heavier than the surrounding air, with a molecular weight of around 44. O2 comes in around 32, N2 around 30, Ne around 20, and He around 4. The only thing in the earth's atmosphere that isn't heavier than CO2 it Krypton...and I don't see any scientists bleeding out their eyeballs about how man-made Krypton is causeing "climate change."

Granted, wind has something to do with the composition of the breathable portion of the atmosphere, which has more to do with the Sun than a coal-fired electricity turbine. But if no external factors were brought into play, then yes we would have an atmosphere that would exist in stratas, much like how oil and water seperates when mixed together in a bottle.

This whole "heavier than air" thing is the reason why they use dry ice in fog machines at those Justin Bieber concerts you regularly attend, Victor. It's also one of the reasons why you don't have a lot of stuff growing in the upper elevations of mountains, and why the atmosphere is so thin on the top of K2. Mainly because O2 molecules - you know, the stuff we breate? - cannot reach all that far up into the atmosphere...and therefore don't.

jpotts wrote:



So you agree that your "CO2" can't get to the upper atmosphere was stupid then?

As for whether Krypton is causing climate change... you do realize that simply being present isn't the determining factor in whether a chemical is in a reaction, right? Do you have the most basic understanding of chemistry necessary to understand that some chemical compounds are more reactive than others, with specific other chemical compounds? Do you understand the basic concepts of chemistry enough to realize that even small amounts of a chemical will enter certain reactions, allowing for more of the same to diffuse into that "space"?

I'm sure somewhere you did IT for a lab, and now understand all the processes necessary.
victor809
13 years ago

I thought he was a dentist?

teedubbya wrote:



Well, he did IT for a dentists office once. So yeah... he fills cavities.
teedubbya
13 years ago
watching you two rocket scientists argue is like watching a good ol fashoned harvey corman tim conway slapfight
daveincincy
13 years ago
saucer of milk, table for two....
ZRX1200
13 years ago
Cripple fight!
Brewha
13 years ago
I’d like to see a wine list, please . . . .
DrMaddVibe
13 years ago

Well, he did IT for a dentists office once. So yeah... he fills cavities.

victor809 wrote:




And you're a gay rights activist that happens to play rubby with homosexuals. So yeah, you get your cavities filled!🐴


FWIW...I'd take JP's opinion every day of the week over someone that hasn't ever been correct on a thing. That's just based on years of reading his posts. Vic, everything you've ever cried about here is some touchy feely cry session...not based in reality but on feelings. I'd take Cindy Brady's opinion over yours...that's should tell you where YOU rate and he was a stay-at-home professional student! No real world experience. JP has worked for Fortune 100 companies and has had at least one book published. You don't have any room to state he doesn't know what he's talking about at all...but I'ma gonna let you finish...thanks for the laughs!=d>
teedubbya
13 years ago
somehow that isn't suprising
daveincincy
13 years ago
Is it getting hot in here? Must be that climate change.
DrMaddVibe
13 years ago

somehow that isn't suprising

teedubbya wrote:




Anyone paying attention..it shouldn't be!
DrafterX
13 years ago

Is it getting hot in here? Must be that climate change.

daveincincy wrote:




prolly just the glue... you'll be better soon... 😟
Brewha
13 years ago
No, really – if you put a monkey on a key board long enough . . . . . .
DrMaddVibe
13 years ago

No, really – if you put a monkey on a key board long enough . . . . . .

Brewha wrote:




He'd make posts...JUST LIKE YOURS!!!!!!
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