wheelrite
13 years ago
Easy solution...

Don't ever get sick,,,

That's my plan.




wheel,
DrafterX
13 years ago
not a bad plan but I think you still have to pay.... 😟
leftyposthole
13 years ago
Lefty is always in a good mood, well almost, Bloody, would love to hear your take on it. Sure would not want you to waste your time though.................
bloody spaniard
13 years ago
^ LOL- I'm a tuckered out keyboard pecker (so to speak) is all... Let me think about it.
Prolly need pecker fatigue coverage... Wonder if some rum & coke will help?

Wishing you a quick recovery, Lefty, but in the meantime can you do a little Walter Brennan (limp walk) for us?
leftyposthole
13 years ago
Hey that walk comes natural, what with my age and all....... yep I am one of those hunt and peck kinda guys, it took me 15 min. to type post #14
teedubbya
13 years ago
Drafter I don't know. That's my problem with obamacare. It's sort of like Frankenstein, a bunch of old parts thrown together hastily. Although at least Frankenstein is a system. Obamacare is random at times and even contradictory. Good ol special interests.

That's what bothers me. There are good parts and bad parts and I'm not sure what the end result is going to be. I don't think anyone does.

Those that have been railing against it since day one and those championing it since day one have something in common. They likely don't really understand it and are parroting what they heard. And they likely hear what they want to.

I've been studying healthcare systems for years (bith under grad and grad) have worked in all sides of it (for profit, not for profit, government, government contractor), and have been forced to dive into it at a level that would allow me to implement parts of it and support the implementation of other parts.

And I don't think I get it. That's why I don't get too deep into it in here. In here its a very superficial discussion and there is very little truth or fact (at least in a long enough string of facts to be coherent). It's frustrating but all that said, anyone in here's opinion is likely as good as mine. I dunno.

I think it's safe to say its not evil though. The death panel stuff is nonsense. The practice protocol stuff as it is often presented is nonsense, much of the discussion turning savings into cuts is nonsense (weird that qa/qi techniques are considered bad to some otherwise bright individuals)

This is a conversation I find hard to have in here. You really need a give and take of a real conversation with no vitriol. Some of the quality improvement things happening are really cool and will improve care and lower cost at the same time.

Ok I'm done lol
teedubbya
13 years ago
Oh yea, almost forgot. It's evil and will end America as we know it.

Didn't want to have to eat at the kiddie table.
bloody spaniard
13 years ago
So let me see... I can drop my current pos expensive BC/BS insurance & pay a penalty ($2,500?) for a policy under Obamascare which will be less expensive but gives me additional coverage??? 🤔 🤔 🤔


Don't rush me... I thinking here... (in my best Ratso Rizzo)
teedubbya
13 years ago
I don't know your situation but know there will be winners and losers.

My folks will be losers in the sense they will lose the subsidy propping up Medicare advantage. They are winners compared to what I know about the voucher plan.

But there is much more to this than your question. Much more. It is the biggest issue to you understandably but it's the tip of the iceburg.

Translated though it sounds like you are looking for your government cheese while looking down your nose at others already cutting the cheese.
ZRX1200
13 years ago
We'll see if I have a job in 2014.....


Medicare competitive bidding will be fun.
teedubbya
13 years ago
Competitive bidding is an interesting farsce.

The state exchange thing is an interesting concept too.

As for you blood I dunno. In the old days bc/bs used community ratings rather than experience. That was a win or lose for any individual or company based on perceived health risk. It did sort of spread risk. It's not so clear anymore (if it ever was)

Some of the handwringing is warranted, much of it is not.

Frankenstein may be a miracle or he may kill the girl with the owners. Personally I thi k it's a bad thing in total but I am an incrementalist. I think a few peices should have been implemented then revise and expand over time.

Our politics will not allow that sort of logical approach.
teedubbya
13 years ago
Owners = flowers.
bloody spaniard
13 years ago


Translated though it sounds like you are looking for your government cheese while looking down your nose at others already cutting the cheese.

teedubbya wrote:




yes* & no

*If Government cheese (Obamascare) is the only alternative to the garbage offered by unapologetic insurance companies which are the only game in town thanks to no (interstate) competition.
ZRX1200
13 years ago
You can thank states with ridiculous mandates for coverage for that. That's why some states now only have a few major insurance companies around.
teedubbya
13 years ago
At some point you need to look at where you're at and plan for your future rather than ruminating over the past I think Obamacare is a done deal now you need to figure out how to leverage it for yourself
bloody spaniard
13 years ago

At some point you need to look at where you're at and plan for your future rather than ruminating over the past I think Obamacare is a done deal now you need to figure out how to leverage it for yourself

teedubbya wrote:




No brainer. Providing there's no surprises... I'm in.
I know the plusses and negatives to socialized medicine. The poor don't have to stiff doctors and/or swamp emergency rooms. While those who can afford can always bypass the minuses of Obamascare by paying non-participating specialists out of pocket just as many of us are already forced to do NOW...
DrafterX
13 years ago
I was really counting on one of them death panel jobs...... 😟
HockeyDad
13 years ago

I was really counting on one of them death panel jobs...... 😟

DrafterX wrote:




Well yeah....I was angling for one of the re-education camp commandant jobs and that hasn't come through yet. Wasted 4 weeks in night school.
DrafterX
13 years ago
I built a gong.... 😟
DrafterX
13 years ago

Drafter I don't know. That's my problem with obamacare. It's sort of like Frankenstein, a bunch of old parts thrown together hastily. Although at least Frankenstein is a system. Obamacare is random at times and even contradictory. Good ol special interests.

That's what bothers me. There are good parts and bad parts and I'm not sure what the end result is going to be. I don't think anyone does.

Those that have been railing against it since day one and those championing it since day one have something in common. They likely don't really understand it and are parroting what they heard. And they likely hear what they want to.

I've been studying healthcare systems for years (bith under grad and grad) have worked in all sides of it (for profit, not for profit, government, government contractor), and have been forced to dive into it at a level that would allow me to implement parts of it and support the implementation of other parts.

And I don't think I get it. That's why I don't get too deep into it in here. In here its a very superficial discussion and there is very little truth or fact (at least in a long enough string of facts to be coherent). It's frustrating but all that said, anyone in here's opinion is likely as good as mine. I dunno.

I think it's safe to say its not evil though. The death panel stuff is nonsense. The practice protocol stuff as it is often presented is nonsense, much of the discussion turning savings into cuts is nonsense (weird that qa/qi techniques are considered bad to some otherwise bright individuals)

This is a conversation I find hard to have in here. You really need a give and take of a real conversation with no vitriol. Some of the quality improvement things happening are really cool and will improve care and lower cost at the same time.

Ok I'm done lol

teedubbya wrote:




and thanks man.... I knew I couldn't beleive everything I heard and I'm really not worried... If I worked for a small company I might be... we'll see soon enough...... 😟
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