ZRX1200
13 years ago
GM bondholders got a fair shake.
dpnewell
13 years ago
So, the Wall Street Fat Cats are doing well under your boy. Wish the rest of us were.

I guess all those folks in the unemployment, welfare and food stamp lines can rejoice over the value of their stocks. Oh, wait a minute, thy don’t own any, do they? Silly me.
Brewha
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13 years ago

Brewha, you are wastin your voice on people who wont give this president for credit anything, most of whom cast votes that dont count.

drywalldog wrote:


But you've gotta love the endless sour grapes as things start to turn around. My favorite is that he hasen't fully paid for the wars Bush got us into yet.
Guess you just have to keep tuned to Fox News so that you know what to boil angst about next.

All I hear from the right is help big business and we will all do well. But when Obama get the market rolling, well, he just anin't helpin' the common man . . . .
dpnewell
13 years ago

But you've gotta love the endless sour grapes as things start to turn around. My favorite is that he hasen't fully paid for the wars Bush got us into yet.
Guess you just have to keep tuned to Fox News so that you know what to boil angst about next.

All I hear from the right is help big business and we will all do well. But when Obama get the market rolling, well, he just anin't helpin' the common man . . . .

Brewha wrote:



Ha, ha, ha, ha, Ha, ha, ha, ha! Obama got the markets rolling? He has done everything in his power to destroy wealth, to destroy investments, to punish business, and despite all that, the markets are up in defiance of his polices. Yet you and the talking heads think it's Obama's doing. I'm laughing so hard, I’m ready to split a gut.
borndead1
13 years ago

Ya'll may not like the Dems, but it looks like the stock market does . . . .

Brewha wrote:



Yes, the uber rich love the Dems. Because Dem policies benefit the uber rich, while at the same time suckering poor people into thinking they are the ones who benefit. There's a reason why 8 of the 10 richest counties in the U.S. voted for Obama. The Dem mantras of "making the rich pay their fair share" and "strengthening the middle class" are a bunch of BS, and the uber rich and the Dems know it. It seems the only ones who can't see it are the poor schlubs who keep voting Dem.
mikey1597
13 years ago

But you've gotta love the endless sour grapes as things start to turn around. My favorite is that he hasen't fully paid for the wars Bush got us into yet.
Guess you just have to keep tuned to Fox News so that you know what to boil angst about next.

All I hear from the right is help big business and we will all do well. But when Obama get the market rolling, well, he just anin't helpin' the common man . . . .

Brewha wrote:





Are you trying to tell me George flew those planes into the WTC?


I usually don't get into the political discussion but this one sets me off!

Don't Tread On Me MF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
bloody spaniard
13 years ago

But you've gotta love the endless sour grapes as things start to turn around...
All I hear from the right is help big business and we will all do well. But when Obama get the market rolling, well, he just anin't helpin' the common man . . . .

Brewha wrote:





Uh huh, you go girl! Now tell 'em about how 1 in 13 working Americans is on disability! Must be a flu pandemic! Oh yeah, preach on, big sistah! Testify!
(in my best Honey Booboo which I know dkeage hates)

[sarcasm]
Brewha
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13 years ago

Ha, ha, ha, ha, Ha, ha, ha, ha! Obama got the markets rolling? He has done everything in his power to destroy wealth, to destroy investments, to punish business, and despite all that, the markets are up in defiance of his polices. Yet you and the talking heads think it's Obama's doing. I'm laughing so hard, I’m ready to split a gut.

dpnewell wrote:


I'm picturing an endless, rolling, maniacal laughter. An insane laughter.
A laughter bereft of sence or reason.


. . . . Nurse!
bloody spaniard
13 years ago

I'm picturing an endless, rolling, maniacal laughter. An insane laughter.
A laughter bereft of sence or reason.

. . . . Nurse!

Brewha wrote:



LOL!!
I see the next James Bond villain as he strokes Fufu.
HAHAHAHAHAHA, No, Mr. Brewha, now you will die!=p~
Brewha
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13 years ago

Yes, the uber rich love the Dems. Because Dem policies benefit the uber rich, while at the same time suckering poor people into thinking they are the ones who benefit. There's a reason why 8 of the 10 richest counties in the U.S. voted for Obama. The Dem mantras of "making the rich pay their fair share" and "strengthening the middle class" are a bunch of BS, and the uber rich and the Dems know it. It seems the only ones who can't see it are the poor schlubs who keep voting Dem.

borndead1 wrote:


So poor states like Mississippi and Alabama vote red because the Repulicans help the poor?


Say, if I put "The policies of the Democrates benefit the rich" on a T-shirt, would you buy it?
Brewha
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13 years ago

LOL!!
I see the next James Bond villain as he strokes Fufu.
HAHAHAHAHAHA, No, Mr. Brewha, now you will die!=p~

bloody spaniard wrote:


DP as Dr. Evil.
Or Mini Me . . . .
Brewha
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13 years ago

Are you trying to tell me George flew those planes into the WTC?


I usually don't get into the political discussion but this one sets me off!

Don't Tread On Me MF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

mikey1597 wrote:



The destruction of the three WTC buildings was not the cause of us going into Iraq.


Does MF stand for Mon Frere?
Yeah, your my brother too.
Abrignac
13 years ago
Brewha I get that you're a Dem. To each his own. But, what I don't get is the refusal to acknowledge the obvious. Sure the the market is up, but on the other side look how much public money has been given to Wall Street.

Do you really believe that absent the TARP bailout, the GM bailout, etc the market would be so high. And tell me how those dollars have benefited the average guy any more that "Bush's" two wars did.

Let's put this into perspective. Whether one agrees with the wars or not, all that defense spending created jobs. Sure a large amount of money found its way in to wealthy hands, but so has TARP and GM dollars. What's the difference?



Oh and now for the disclaimer: I think all politicians should be term limited. Way to many people go to Washington to live VERY comfortably on the public dole. In addition, political parties are as bad as stage five cancer and should be done away with.
Abrignac
13 years ago

Brewha, you are wastin your voice on people who wont give this president for credit anything, most of whom cast votes that dont count.

drywalldog wrote:




I fully give the Dems credit for creating a culture of entitlement. At some point we will all live on the public dole, but I wonder who will pay the bill.
Brewha
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13 years ago

Brewha I get that you're a Dem. To each his own. But, what I don't get is the refusal to acknowledge the obvious. Sure the the market is up, but on the other side look how much public money has been given to Wall Street.

Do you really believe that absent the TARP bailout, the GM bailout, etc the market would be so high. And tell me how those dollars have benefited the average guy any more that "Bush's" two wars did.

Let's put this into perspective. Whether one agrees with the wars or not, all that defense spending created jobs. Sure a large amount of money found its way in to wealthy hands, but so has TARP and GM dollars. What's the difference?



Oh and now for the disclaimer: I think all politicians should be term limited. Way to many people go to Washington to live VERY comfortably on the public dole. In addition, political parties are as bad as stage five cancer and should be done away with.

Abrignac wrote:


Actually, I would not argue the points that you have made above. But consider the venue; Cbid is the land of cigar chewing, hard core, conservatives who often have trouble giving credit where it is due. So forgive me if as one of the relatively few liberals I want to gloat over the simple facts about the market.

Now about the 'entitlements', why do conservatives always take the tact that entitlements are for the lazy to take from the system? Don't you think the majority of people on entitlements are entitled to them?
Abrignac
13 years ago


Now about the 'entitlements', why do conservatives always take the tact that entitlements are for the lazy to take from the system? Don't you think the majority of people on entitlements are entitled to them?

Brewha wrote:



NO!!!!

What started out as temporary fixes have become longtime solutions. In my line of work, on the public dole if you will, I come across people everyday who take advantage of the system. To them, it has become a source of expected income.

Seventy-three weeks of un-employment benefits??? Or, if you live in New York eighty-three weeks??? Nothing like telling someone they can collect free $$$ for a year and a half. I don't know what the un-employment rate is where I live, but I suspect it's hovering between 5-9%, yet in Sunday's paper there were at least 12 pages of help wanted ads.

http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2012/11/25/how-long-can-you-collect-unemployment-benefits/ 

I could go on, but its not really necessary.

The REAL problem is the us against them mentality that we as a nation have come to be. We can thank the Republican and Democratic parties for that. With their cookie cutter platform planks, we are thrown on one side or another. I'm in no way supportive of abortion, but I don't feel it's my place to tell another person what to do with their body. That puts me at odds with both parties. I'm not in favor of government giveaways. Again, on one hand we have un-employment benefits and on the other farm subsidies. That leaves me on the outside looking in.

Then we have the hypocrisy. On one hand, we have trade unions cursing the very businesses who sign contracts so the members of those unions can earn a pay check. We have über rich calling for higher taxes, yet they shield most if not all of their wealth from the very taxes they champion. I wonder how big a tax bite John and Melinda Kerry's estate will pay? Not much im sure. Walk into any tax planning accounting firm and ask them to show you the room where they kep the tax avoidance manuals for he working class. It doesn't exist. But, the library where plans or the rich would rival some school libraries.

When was the last time a politician came to your house for dinner. Do they come as often as they go to parties hosted by the very people trying to get legislation passed hat will benefit their clients? Prolly not.
Brewha
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13 years ago

NO!!!!

What started out as temporary fixes have become longtime solutions. In my line of work, on the public dole if you will, I come across people everyday who take advantage of the system. To them, it has become a source of expected income.

Seventy-three weeks of un-employment benefits??? Or, if you live in New York eighty-three weeks??? Nothing like telling someone they can collect free $$$ for a year and a half. I don't know what the un-employment rate is where I live, but I suspect it's hovering between 5-9%, yet in Sunday's paper there were at least 12 pages of help wanted ads.

http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2012/11/25/how-long-can-you-collect-unemployment-benefits/ 

I could go on, but its not really necessary.

The REAL problem is the us against them mentality that we as a nation have come to be. We can thank the Republican and Democratic parties for that. With their cookie cutter platform planks, we are thrown on one side or another. I'm in no way supportive of abortion, but I don't feel it's my place to tell another person what to do with their body. That puts me at odds with both parties. I'm not in favor of government giveaways. Again, on one hand we have un-employment benefits and on the other farm subsidies. That leaves me on the outside looking in.

Then we have the hypocrisy. On one hand, we have trade unions cursing the very businesses who sign contracts so the members of those unions can earn a pay check. We have über rich calling for higher taxes, yet they shield most if not all of their wealth from the very taxes they champion. I wonder how big a tax bite John and Melinda Kerry's estate will pay? Not much im sure. Walk into any tax planning accounting firm and ask them to show you the room where they kep the tax avoidance manuals for he working class. It doesn't exist. But, the library where plans or the rich would rival some school libraries.

When was the last time a politician came to your house for dinner. Do they come as often as they go to parties hosted by the very people trying to get legislation passed hat will benefit their clients? Prolly not.

Abrignac wrote:


Having worked man and boy sence 1976 with scarcely any time not fully employed, and zero time collecting benefits for not being employed, if I turn up out of work I fully am entitled to every bit of the 'dole' that I have earned and that my past employer would have to share in funding.

I don't care what it is, there is always a line of people trying to take inappropriate advantage of it. The need is for better oversite and regulation, not kicking good people to the curb when things don't go their way. We have a duty to take care of each other dispite the feas in society.

'Entitelments' go to the elderly, the disabled, veterans, the unwillfully unemployed, children who have lost their parents, and so on. And most all are 'entitled'.

With the government largely in the pocket of the wealthy, their business given corporate welfare and even the churches getting a tax free ride, I'm not incline to take too much issue with a few who grab a few too may coins when they legally qualify.
dpnewell
13 years ago

I'm picturing an endless, rolling, maniacal laughter. An insane laughter.
A laughter bereft of sence or reason.


. . . . Nurse!

Brewha wrote:



I wouldn't laugh so hard if you wouldn't post so many jokes.
Brewha
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13 years ago

I wouldn't laugh so hard if you wouldn't post so many jokes.

dpnewell wrote:


Thank you Mr. Newell. It means so much to have some one admire my work.

You should know that I have spent many a moment with a deep smile on my face, and even a belly laugh or two reading your tongue in cheek humor. You remind me of Steven Colbert. Good stuff.
wheelrite
13 years ago
Um, the reason why the Markets went up was all the Institutional Trading,,

They get virtually free money from the Fed...
Therefore they don't do commercial lending or Mortagages,,,

It's all a shell game and means nothing to the Economy..
But that's all we have left. We manufacture nothing,,,,
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