DadZilla3
13 years ago

But it is a physical, economic impossibility to arm yourself equal to the fed govt.

drnos wrote:


Well, on one side we'd have what, 1.5 million active and 1.5 million reserve military personnel with all their attendant high tech weaponry...and on the other side we'd have about 70 million citizens with access to almost 300 million guns.
ZRX1200
13 years ago
If you are unable to see the correlation between the Feds overstepps opposed to the attempted gun restrictions (agree or not) I won't waste my time.

What I wrote isn't hard to follow. "World Police" is the role our foreign policy has taken, and not strictly "our" interests. This spawned growth has created the disparity between federal arms and civilian.
Brewha
13 years ago

If you are unable to see the correlation between the Feds overstepps opposed to the attempted gun restrictions (agree or not) I won't waste my time.

What I wrote isn't hard to follow. "World Police" is the role our foreign policy has taken, and not strictly "our" interests. This spawned growth has created the disparity between federal arms and civilian.

ZRX1200 wrote:


"Police Street; It's the worst street in town, it's so bad . . . . "
dpnewell
13 years ago
drnos,
I understand your points and concerns. If armed US citizens attempted to take on our military in a stand up fight, it would be a slaughter. That's IF, it where a stand up fight (which I doubt), and IF US military units would actually fire on US citizens, instead of revolting against their commanders, and joining with their countrymen, as has happened in other places many times in history. May we never find ourselves in such a situation.

Folks seem to forget that not too long ago, a bunch of untrained, 3rd world sheep herders, using antiquated and improvised weapons, brought the Soviet Military, arguably the most powerful military in the world at the time, to their knees. These same sheep herders caused enough pain to our own high tech military, that our people cried out "enough, bring our boys home!" Also don't forget what a bunch of rice farmers did to us and our advanced weapons in Vietnam. Never underestimate the resolve of folks fighting for their home and way of life, no matter how outgunned they seem to be.
jetblasted
13 years ago

I'd like to believe that if the gov't ever tried to use the military against its own people, they wouldn't comply.

MACS wrote:



I'd like to think so, too .... But, what's up with all the military drills taking place all over the country? In just the last few months military drills have taken place in Chicago, St. Louis, Houston, Los Angeles, Atlanta, Miami, Boston, Norfolk & at this point, probably a few more cities, too. These drills and exercises have been going on for the last year. They are gearing up for something.

:-k
DadZilla3
13 years ago

I'd like to believe that if the gov't ever tried to use the military against its own people, they wouldn't comply.

MACS wrote:


Our government has already taken that possibility into consideration and has entered into a pact with Canada that provides for mutual military assistance in the event of a civil emergency.

http://www.northcom.mil/News/2008/021408.html 

"The plan recognizes the role of each nation's lead federal agency for emergency preparedness, which in the United States is the Department of Homeland Security and in Canada is Public Safety Canada. The plan facilitates the military-to-military support of civil authorities once government authorities have agreed on an appropriate response.

U.S. Northern Command was established on Oct. 1, 2002, to anticipate and conduct homeland defense and civil support operations within the assigned area of responsibility to defend, protect, and secure the United States and its interests.

Similarly, Canada Command was established on Feb. 1, 2006, to focus on domestic operations and to offer a single point of contact for all domestic and continental defense and security partners."


HockeyDad
13 years ago

I'd like to think so, too .... But, what's up with all the military drills taking place all over the country? In just the last few months military drills have taken place in Chicago, St. Louis, Houston, Los Angeles, Atlanta, Miami, Boston, Norfolk & at this point, probably a few more cities, too. These drills and exercises have been going on for the last year. They are gearing up for something.

:-k

jetblasted wrote:




Austerity riots.
Brewha
13 years ago



Folks seem to forget that not too long ago, a bunch of untrained, 3rd world sheep herders, using antiquated and improvised weapons, brought the Soviet Military, arguably the most powerful military in the world at the time, to their knees. These same sheep herders caused enough pain to our own high tech military, that our people cried out "enough, bring our boys home!" Also don't forget what a bunch of rice farmers did to us and our advanced weapons in Vietnam. Never underestimate the resolve of folks fighting for their home and way of life, no matter how outgunned they seem to be.

dpnewell wrote:



Sounds like it would make a great movie. Say, could one of the sheep herders have a robot friend?
pdxstogieman
13 years ago
Lots of hypothetical hogwash floating through this thread about "The People" rising up against the gubmint. As if someone would expect that those with the most extreme views that would likely "take up arms" first against the gubmint, would at that time represent the views and interests of all, a majority, or even a substantial minority of "The People". It would certainly take a lot more actual, not hallucinatory, tyranny from the gubmint to spark a substantial majority of "The People" to armed revolt. So all the theoretical hogwash about armed insurrection or threat of same being an effective means to keep the gubmint in line in this day and age is pretty much the delusional excreta of an extreme minority that are just pissed their political party or point of view isn't supported by the established political process.

The tree of hogwash must periodically be nurtured with the manure of message boards.
DrMaddVibe
13 years ago

... I don't think anyone considers them overly burdened with a sense of military strategy...

victor809 wrote:




You don't have to use strategery when you're a good shot!

http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Flying-Camera-From-Animal-Rights-Group-Shot-Down-at-Pigeon-Shoot-Cops-179983451.html 

Hell, even Alex Jones can shoot one down!

http://www.infowars.com/drones-shot-down-over-texas/ 

The fact that YOU can't use an assault weapon with limp wrists is YOUR problem!

Them good ol boys just might be right and it's the rubby players that have it wrong, but I digress.


How many puns can you find in that?

Yeah...Z...see what I did?
DrMaddVibe
13 years ago
Even the Kenyan King has more balls than Georgetown rubby players!

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/wh-releases-photo-obama-shooting-gun_699234.html 


BANG BANG SHOOOO-OOOOT!

Happiness...is a warm yes it is....GUN!
Gene363
13 years ago

Lots of hypothetical hogwash floating through this thread about "The People" rising up against the gubmint. As if someone would expect that those with the most extreme views that would likely "take up arms" first against the gubmint, would at that time represent the views and interests of all, a majority, or even a substantial minority of "The People". It would certainly take a lot more actual, not hallucinatory, tyranny from the gubmint to spark a substantial majority of "The People" to armed revolt. So all the theoretical hogwash about armed insurrection or threat of same being an effective means to keep the gubmint in line in this day and age is pretty much the delusional excreta of an extreme minority that are just pissed their political party or point of view isn't supported by the established political process.

The tree of hogwash must periodically be nurtured with the manure of message boards.

pdxstogieman wrote:



Hey, were you the one advising Hosni Mubarak?

Gene363
13 years ago
Consider the Third Amendment to put the Second in perspective:

Gun Control for dummies.




pdxstogieman
13 years ago


Hey, were you the one advising Hosni Mubarak?

Gene363 wrote:



If you're likening the the current situation in the US to that of Egypt just prior to the overthrow of Mubarak, you're one of the delusional extremists.
jetblasted
13 years ago

Consider the Third Amendment to put the Second in perspective:

Gun Control for dummies.



Gene363 wrote:




Kind of like what happened in the Civil War ?

🌫
HockeyDad
13 years ago

Lots of hypothetical hogwash floating through this thread about "The People" rising up against the gubmint. As if someone would expect that those with the most extreme views that would likely "take up arms" first against the gubmint, would at that time represent the views and interests of all, a majority, or even a substantial minority of "The People". It would certainly take a lot more actual, not hallucinatory, tyranny from the gubmint to spark a substantial majority of "The People" to armed revolt. So all the theoretical hogwash about armed insurrection or threat of same being an effective means to keep the gubmint in line in this day and age is pretty much the delusional excreta of an extreme minority that are just pissed their political party or point of view isn't supported by the established political process.

The tree of hogwash must periodically be nurtured with the manure of message boards.

pdxstogieman wrote:





On behalf of the Federal government, your surrender of all rights is accepted. See, you were correct....they weren't God-given!
Brewha
13 years ago

On behalf of the Federal government, your surrender of all rights is accepted. See, you were correct....they weren't God-given!

HockeyDad wrote:


Another Frenchmen speaking of surrender . . . . .


At least it not 'the cone of surrender,' . . . . .
HockeyDad
13 years ago

Another Frenchmen speaking of surrender . . . . .


At least it not 'the cone of surrender,' . . . . .

Brewha wrote:



We French can speak of surrender because it is the USA that has gone soft. You voluntarily surrender your rights in exchange for feeling safe.

The history books will write of "vietnamization" in Iraq and Afghanistan due to lack of fortitude at home. Meanwhile France jumped into civil wars in Libya and Mali and cleaned those messes up.

Cut social security by 1 euro in France and there are nationwide strikes and protests. Do the same in the USA and "The Bachelor" will still be a bigger topic.

The cheese eating surrender monkeys now eat American gubment cheese.
ZRX1200
13 years ago
Gene363
13 years ago

If you're likening the the current situation in the US to that of Egypt just prior to the overthrow of Mubarak, you're one of the delusional extremists.

pdxstogieman wrote:



Oh, my bad, perhaps it was Gaddafi.
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