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bloody spaniard
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13 years ago

#21

This is also false:
http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2011/jan/20/steve-southerland/92-percent-obama-administration-has-no-private-sec/

Dammit drafter, why do you always fall for this bs? It makes you look dumb, and even funnier, it makes everyone who jumps around using your false "data" as "proof" as to why the administration is horrible look like idiots.

You single-handedly are making people on this board look dumber. I don't know whether to congratulate you or shake my head in wonderment. Sometimes I think you're actually a liberal plant, trying to see just what stupidity people on the far right will believe.

victor809 wrote:

Ok, so your point is?
Drafter is not retarded. Rambo and I have had discussions about this. He's a PI with a heart of gold who sleeps with his dog Scruffy in a van down by the river.

Drudged (hahahah- get it?) & skimmed through the dry link & it turns out Obama really had "over 20%"(possibly 24%) including lawyers and lobbyists vs 38% for George Jr.
Thank you for tricking me into these "facts". (yawn)

ZRX1200
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13 years ago

#22

Victor I love how Drafter plays you like a Stratavarious banjo.

victor809
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13 years ago

#23

bloody spaniard wrote:

But that's kind of my point Blood.
Obama has screwed up a lot this past term. He wasn't even stellar his first term. Why post false information? Why not actually post correct information?

He could have posted "24%" vs GWBs "38%", but the 8% looks better, appeals to people who have trouble counting and aren't sure which 2 digit number is bigger. And in the end, the argument ends up based on lies.

Hell, some of the healthcare data is the same way. They cherry-pick stats, then falsify them on top of it. Why not just use the real cherry-picked stats, some of which would agree with the point anyway????

HockeyDad
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13 years ago

#24

Outrage

z6joker9
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13 years ago

#25

I do not like Obama as president but I also do not like misinformation, so these posts leave me conflicted.

bloody spaniard
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13 years ago

#26

^ I always tell Drafter to sit down & sip a cup of cocoa when he feels that way.

Why ask why, Victor? It's done by both sides everywhere. Ever listen to two talking heads taking turns with opposing points of view?

I've been guilty of same as Drafter. Those damn mass emails can be convincing especially if it feeds into a personal bias.

One good thing about threads like this is that someone like you will inevitably Snopes or come up with an alternative.

DrafterX
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13 years ago

#27

🤔
so who's gonna verify Victor's so called facts..?? 😕

dpnewell
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13 years ago

#28

:-k
so who's gonna verify Victor's so called facts..?? 😕

DrafterX wrote:

Maybe he can get the Obama Administration to vouch for his facts. We know how honest and trustworthy they are.

victor809
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13 years ago

#29

:-k
so who's gonna verify Victor's so called facts..?? 😕

DrafterX wrote:

Seeing as no one has "verified" your "facts", why do mine need to be verified? I simply refuted yours. Find data to refute mine, and I'd be cool with it.

DrafterX
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13 years ago

#30

just the facts ma'am... 😟

HockeyDad
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13 years ago

#31

I find the original claim to be unclear.

"The percentage of each past president's cabinet who had worked in the private business sector prior to their appointment to the cabinet."

Does that mean immediately prior or just some time in their lives like at Taco Bell when in high school. If it means "immediately prior", Victor's facts do not deal with that. His facts just cover prior at some point and still only found 1 in 4 had private sector experience.

The overall all message is valid either way. The administration is basically a bunch of career politicians. Cone Of Protection, bitches.

victor809
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13 years ago

#32

bloody spaniard wrote:

Blood, I don't know about the "both sides everywhere" thing. I agree that both sides come up with some questionable sh#t, but I feel like this mass-circulated misinformation happens much more often on the right than the left. Perhaps it's a demographic thing, the right is a considerably older demographic, so maybe more inclined to believe whatever email chain is sent to them? Maybe the right is a more homogeneous group so these are more appealing (a "save [nsert religious holiday]" email wouldn't work too well with the left, if no one can agree on the religion to save)

Either way, I've never received an email from a single friend saying "forward this on! Important information about...." Yet it seems like some people here get these constantly (or at least are posting them constantly).

victor809
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13 years ago

#33

just the facts ma'am... 😟

DrafterX wrote:

Kind of the point Drafter. You aren't posting any facts. And you make an ugly "ma'am", so take that dress off.

DrafterX
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13 years ago

#34

prolly worked at Taco Bell for minimum wage before being hired by Obama.... 😟

DrafterX
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13 years ago

#35

Either way, I've never received an email from my single friend saying "forward this on! Important information about...."

victor809 wrote:

maybe he doesn't really like you.... 😟

z6joker9
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13 years ago

#36

Either way, I've never received an email from a single friend saying "forward this on! Important information about...." Yet it seems like some people here get these constantly (or at least are posting them constantly).

victor809 wrote:

People get stuck in a filter bubble based on their friends and their interests. The one-sided content validates and entrenches their opinions and values. Part of the filter is the source of the content, as distribution methods can vary by groups. A lot of conservatives may get their information from forwarded emails and radio talk shows, while liberals receive DailyKos action newsletters and watch mainstream media. Occasionally you find yourself conversing with someone from a different bubble (thanks to a shared interest like cigars), and you cannot fathom why someone would have differing opinions. You feel like they'd be idiots to ignore the massive amount of "evidence" that has been provided to you, not realizing that you've only been provided a portion of the information available, which is a different portion than what they've been provided.

Edit: I just wanted to add that this wasn't necessarily directed at victor- just musings brought on by that comment.

Edited by user 13 years ago | Reason: Not specified

dpnewell
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13 years ago

#37

People get stuck in a filter bubble based on their friends and their interests. The one-sided content validates and entrenches their opinions and values. Part of the filter is the source of the content, as distribution methods can vary by groups. A lot of conservatives may get their information from forwarded email and radio talk shows, while liberals receive DailyKos action newsletters and watch mainstream media. Occasionally you find yourself conversing with someone from a different bubble (thanks to a shared interest like cigars), and you cannot fathom why someone would have differing opinions. You feel like they'd be idiots to ignore the massive amount of "evidence" that has been provided to you, not realizing that you've only been provided a portion of the information available, which is a different portion than what they've been provided.

z6joker9 wrote:

What's wrong with you, Joker? This is the Cbid Political Forum. How dare you post something that actually makes sense.

bloody spaniard
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13 years ago

#38

People get stuck in a filter bubble based on their friends and their interests. The one-sided content validates and entrenches their opinions and values. Part of the filter is the source of the content, as distribution methods can vary by groups. A lot of conservatives may get their information from forwarded email and radio talk shows, while liberals receive DailyKos action newsletters and watch mainstream media. Occasionally you find yourself conversing with someone from a different bubble (thanks to a shared interest like cigars), and you cannot fathom why someone would have differing opinions. You feel like they'd be idiots to ignore the massive amount of "evidence" that has been provided to you, not realizing that you've only been provided a portion of the information available, which is a different portion than what they've been provided.

z6joker9 wrote:

Yes, but to address your question, Victor, you probably haven't registered on many if ANY websites and/or had your email sold as part of as list to the folks who subscribe to that particular website's theme.

I think older guys tended to be more "traditional" but even that stereotype is arguable when you compare the Yuppie anything goes mentality from the 60's and 70's to the X Generations more serious back to tradition, business approach during the Reagan era for instance. Perhaps it was a rebellious kneejerk reaction to their liberal parents. Having said that, in time as their vested interest in the system increases, most folks (except for Rickamaven & me to a degree) tend to gravitate more to the right.

However, as Z6 and I have said, one naturally gravitates towards that which is in alignment with one's beliefs/prejudices.
Having been there and done that, I've found that to be cumbersome & rarely satisfying because there tend to be shades of gray much to my surprise and chagrin.

Edited by user 13 years ago | Reason: Not specified

z6joker9
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13 years ago

#39

What's wrong with you, Joker? This is the Cbid Political Forum. How dare you post something that actually makes sense.

dpnewell wrote:

Crap, how did I end up in this section again? I should stop clicking down the latest posts list.

bloody spaniard
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13 years ago

#40

You two need a booth?

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