Gene363
12 years ago

In the history of the United States, 168 presidential nominees have been filibustered, 82 blocked under President Obama, 86 blocked under all the other presidents combined. No one see's anything wrong with this? These were not filibusters of substance where they had a problem with the nominee, republicans have publicly stated they are going to block everything until the issue's they want to talk about brought before the house and passed.

CelticBomber wrote:



What a **** bleeding heart pile of steamy excrement.....please take yourself and all like you to ANY Socialist State that already exists and leave the rest of us alone. Seems to me that even with the damage the Bush Admin. did in eight years time....it PALES in comparison to this Admin.....take your own poll and let's see how MOST Americans are doing NOW compared to then, even IF you wait till the END of Bush's term. People ARE hurting worse than ever and will continue to do so under the Dems. And YOU are sadly mistaken as to which party is supposedly for the working class of America.....cause NEITHER are!!! ](*,)

TMCTLT wrote:



Count me in the group against corporate hand outs.

But, explain to me how guaranteeing income to someone gives them any incentive to go out and find a job instead of having more children?

Explain to me how giving away multiple phones to someone instead of telling them to find a job helps them?

Explain to me how guaranteeing unemployment benefits to someone for 2 years or more provides incentive to go find a job.

Explain how the Democratic Party is helping these people out of poverty.

Abrignac wrote:



+1 And the democrats have been in total charge in the past, i.e., Obama's first term, and never delivered, yet the fools keep lining up to vote for them. Same thing for the republicans, the two parties are as the two cheeks of one ass.
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bloody spaniard
12 years ago
Say what you will about Reid, Schumer, Pelosi, and the Baraks, they are unrelenting in their fight unlike most Republican sellouts except for Cruz, Lee, and Rand Paul.
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teedubbya
12 years ago

Say what you will about Reid, Schumer, Pelosi, and the Baraks, they are unrelenting in their fight unlike most Republican sellouts except for Cruz, Lee, and Rand Paul.

bloody spaniard wrote:




All involved were unrelenting and closed minded including all those mentined above. That is the issue.

The D's caved when the Rs threatened this, the R's didn't cave when the D's threatened this.
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bloody spaniard
12 years ago
Yeah, but you have to admit, right or wrong the D's rock and the R's roll.

I think the only solution will be term limits for politicians AND their staffs- these crusty policy wonks just maintain the status quo seamlessly after elections. Clear 'em out of DC completely. No law practice, no lobbying allowed.
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teedubbya
12 years ago

Yeah, but you have to admit, right or wrong the D's rock and the R's roll.

I think the only solution will be term limits for politicians AND their staffs- these crusty policy wonks just maintain the status quo seamlessly after elections. Clear 'em out of DC completely. No law practice, no lobbying allowed.

bloody spaniard wrote:




LOL on the rock and roll.

I'm paraphrasing an idea from someone not well liked in here but none hte less I like it.

How about an Amendment that says every congressman in any given congress in which the conress does not pass a balanced budget can not run for reelection?

If balanced is too hard at first try something close.
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bloody spaniard
12 years ago
=d> =d> =d>

On that note, I gotta go...
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CelticBomber
12 years ago

Count me in the group against corporate hand outs.

But, explain to me how guaranteeing income to someone gives them any incentive to go out and find a job instead of having more children?

Explain to me how giving away multiple phones to someone instead of telling them to find a job helps them?

Explain to me how guaranteeing unemployment benefits to someone for 2 years or more provides incentive to go find a job.

Explain how the Democratic Party is helping these people out of poverty.


Abrignac wrote:




Everyone always reverts to the lowest common denominator when making these arguments. Yes there are ALWAYS going to be people that game the system. That's all any news channel will ever show. What you won't see are the thousands of people who use these programs like food stamps etc to give them a leg up while they work hard to pull themselves out of poverty and go on to become productive members of society. Even people with jobs who get up every day and work hard aren't making ends meet. Look at the story of the Walmart employee's donating food for other employee's so that they can have a decent Thanksgiving. I will always be on the side of using our tax dollars to help other people who aren't as fortunate as others rather than see it go to corporations where the bosses give themselves huge bonuses and golden parachute's while they barely or in some cases like Walmart don't pay a living wage to their employee's. I'm not arguing that the Democrats have all the answer's. I'm just saying they are the lesser of two evils. No president in the history of the Republic has ever inherited a mess like the one that was dropped into Obama's lap. No president has ever been treated with more disrespect or outright open hostility from the very beginning.
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teedubbya
12 years ago
Here is the exact quote Blood.

"You just pass a law that says that any time there's a deficit of more than three percent of GDP, all sitting members of Congress are ineligible for re-election."
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Abrignac
12 years ago

Everyone always reverts to the lowest common denominator when making these arguments. Yes there are ALWAYS going to be people that game the system. That's all any news channel will ever show. What you won't see are the thousands of people who use these programs like food stamps etc to give them a leg up while they work hard to pull themselves out of poverty and go on to become productive members of society. Even people with jobs who get up every day and work hard aren't making ends meet. Look at the story of the Walmart employee's donating food for other employee's so that they can have a decent Thanksgiving. I will always be on the side of using our tax dollars to help other people who aren't as fortunate as others rather than see it go to corporations where the bosses give themselves huge bonuses and golden parachute's while they barely or in some cases like Walmart don't pay a living wage to their employee's. I'm not arguing that the Democrats have all the answer's. I'm just saying they are the lesser of two evils. No president in the history of the Republic has ever inherited a mess like the one that was dropped into Obama's lap. No president has ever been treated with more disrespect or outright open hostility from the very beginning.

CelticBomber wrote:




So you feel it's ok to create and perpetuate a system that ties a persons hand to the government trough?

A living wage? Where does the constitution guarantee a living wage? Perhaps these downtrodden you speak of could pull themselves up and improve their marketability instead of relying on a handout to keep them afloat.

As far as inheriting a mess. Bush did leave the country with about an 8 Trillion dollar debt that began accumulating a long time ago. In fact, it took 50-60 years to get to that point. Obama has doubled it in 5 years.
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Gene363
12 years ago

Everyone always reverts to the lowest common denominator when making these arguments. Yes there are ALWAYS going to be people that game the system. That's all any news channel will ever show. What you won't see are the thousands of people who use these programs like food stamps etc to give them a leg up while they work hard to pull themselves out of poverty and go on to become productive members of society. Even people with jobs who get up every day and work hard aren't making ends meet. Look at the story of the Walmart employee's donating food for other employee's so that they can have a decent Thanksgiving. I will always be on the side of using our tax dollars to help other people who aren't as fortunate as others rather than see it go to corporations where the bosses give themselves huge bonuses and golden parachute's while they barely or in some cases like Walmart don't pay a living wage to their employee's. I'm not arguing that the Democrats have all the answer's. I'm just saying they are the lesser of two evils. No president in the history of the Republic has ever inherited a mess like the one that was dropped into Obama's lap. No president has ever been treated with more disrespect or outright open hostility from the very beginning.

CelticBomber wrote:




I'm calling Bravo Sierra, the hate for GWB was visceral from the get go and got worse over time.

The rest of your post is enabling bad behavior using the old, "There is no limit to what I can do with other people's money." nonsense. Even Clinton got folks off welfare, by making it more difficult to get not easier.

A large part of the debt Obama inherited was the war he said he would end, instead, he doubled down on GWB policies and is ready to commit (kill) our service men and women in Afghanistan for another ten years.
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MACS
12 years ago

Count me in the group against corporate hand outs.

But, explain to me how guaranteeing income to someone gives them any incentive to go out and find a job instead of having more children?

Explain to me how giving away multiple phones to someone instead of telling them to find a job helps them?

Explain to me how guaranteeing unemployment benefits to someone for 2 years or more provides incentive to go find a job.

Explain how the Democratic Party is helping these people out of poverty.


Abrignac wrote:



Yessir... I'd like an answer to these questions as well. Those people (receiving the handouts) are going to vote for the person providing them... democrats are buying their votes with the taxpayers money. Sad, but true.

Giving them just enough to barely survive, but enough to suck the will to improve themselves right out of them. Keeping them right under the thumb of "the man".
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MACS
12 years ago
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/best-worst-run-states-america-030403958.html 

Yahoo article about the best and worst run states.

The top 5 are all red states with the exception of Iowa. The bottom 5 are ALL blue.

Just an observation.
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Abrignac
12 years ago

Everyone always reverts to the lowest common denominator when making these arguments.

CelticBomber wrote:


Clarify please. This should be interesting.


Yes there are ALWAYS going to be people that game the system.

CelticBomber wrote:


There is an entire culture which games the system.


That's all any news channel will ever show.

CelticBomber wrote:


What channel? This is that 800 lb gorilla in the room that everyone sees, but refuses to address.

What you won't see are the thousands of people who use these programs like food stamps etc to give them a leg up while they work hard to pull themselves out of poverty and go on to become productive members of society.

CelticBomber wrote:


So we give to millions to help thousands. The program you speak of hasn't been close to being marginally effective at pulling anyone from the jaws of poverty. But, it's a great way to bankrupt a nation.

Even people with jobs who get up every day and work hard aren't making ends meet.

CelticBomber wrote:


Oh well. It's not government's job to make everyone prosperous. Prosperity is a function of hard work and innovation.

Look at the story of the Walmart employee's donating food for other employee's so that they can have a decent Thanksgiving.

CelticBomber wrote:


Charity starts at home. As not what your country can do for you....

I will always be on the side of using our tax dollars to help other people who aren't as fortunate as others rather than see it go to corporations where the bosses give themselves huge bonuses and golden parachute's while they barely or in some cases like Walmart don't pay a living wage to their employee's.

CelticBomber wrote:


With very, very, very rare exception would I ever be in favor of corporate welfare. But with all due respect, Walmart's money is there's to spend, not yours to dictate. If someone doesn't want to work for what ever you consider a non-living wage, then they should prepare themselves with a great education. Entry level jobs should NEVER be considered as security with which to raise a family or provide retirement security.

I'm not arguing that the Democrats have all the answer's.

CelticBomber wrote:


Sure you are. Do I need to drag up previous quotes?

I'm just saying they are the lesser of two evils. No president in the history of the Republic has ever inherited a mess like the one that was dropped into Obama's lap.

CelticBomber wrote:


And he has done absolutely nothing at all that will lead us to the promised land. He has done nothing but expand the government teet since he was elected.


No president has ever been treated with more disrespect or outright open hostility from the very beginning.

CelticBomber wrote:


Hope and Change. One rubs another's face in crap and you expect them to smile and ask for more.
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bloody spaniard
12 years ago
Note to self, NEVER ever get into a posting argument with brother Abri.
Added name to Victor's on list.8-[
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Abrignac
12 years ago

Note to self, NEVER ever get into a posting argument with brother Abri.
Added name to Victor's on list.8-[

bloody spaniard wrote:




Is it a good or bad thing to be on that list?


I'm just get tired of hearing people apologize for others prosperity or lack thereof. I'm not anywhere near the 1%. But, I'm COMPLETELY responsible for my own quality of life. About 30 years ago I signed up for unemployment. When they told me how much my benefits were I told them to shred the application. A few days later I had a better paying job than the one I was FIRED from.

Nowadays you've got a whole culture that lives on the dole. Why go out and get a job when you can get $2-3k a month in handouts while living in a house that's paid for while your un-married baby's daddy lives with you and has a decent paying job?
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mikey1597
12 years ago

No president in the history of the Republic has ever inherited a mess like the one that was dropped into Obama's lap. No president has ever been treated with more disrespect or outright open hostility from the very beginning.

CelticBomber wrote:




Are you Fu@KIN KIDDIN? You need to break out the history books out and do a little reading.

It will take several years after the bummer leaves off to find out just how deep a hole he has dug for this nation. For being a transparent pontiff he sure has mucked up the water.
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cacman
12 years ago

No president has ever been treated with more disrespect or outright open hostility from the very beginning.

CelticBomber wrote:


Something tells me he has brought this on himself.
He lied about Obamacare, Benghazi, NSA Wiretapping, etc. And he doesn't even know what his own administration is doing.
Transparency…LMMFAO!!! He sealed his own records. There has been nothing transparent about the 'O', what he has or has not done. A black sheet has been draped over all of it to keep as much away from the American people as possible.

The truth shall set you free.
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teedubbya
12 years ago

Are you Fu@KIN KIDDIN? You need to break out the history books out and do a little reading.

It will take several years after the bummer leaves off to find out just how deep a hole he has dug for this nation. For being a transparent pontiff he sure has mucked up the water.

mikey1597 wrote:




Normally I would agree with you but things have changed. After Bush left office a reset button was set in that he was no longer responsible for the effects of his action and it was all on Obama. I assume the same button is still on the wall of the white house for the big O to hit on the way out.

At least that works with the partisan hacks that will always support whatever he does/did just like it did for the Bush hacks.
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HockeyDad
12 years ago

Normally I would agree with you but things have changed. After Bush left office a reset button was set in that he was no longer responsible for the effects of his action and it was all on Obama. I assume the same button is still on the wall of the white house for the big O to hit on the way out.

At least that works with the partisan hacks that will always support whatever he does/did just like it did for the Bush hacks.

teedubbya wrote:




Hillary is gonna blame everything on Obama?!
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mikey1597
12 years ago

Hillary is gonna blame everything on Obama?!

HockeyDad wrote:



That's a good point. If the dems get back in the "It's Bush's fault" excuse wont float anymore.
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