Mr. Jones
Wednesday, July 2, 2014 12:53:07 AM
Yes,

For a year, it was so bad i could not turn over in bed

At night.

Radiating pain, numbness, pins & needles, muscle loss , range of motion loss....

Ibuprophen, physical therapy, generic oxy on a very limited basis when it was unbearable, when all that failed I ...

Finally got a steroid shot via a real time XRAY by a great sports pain medical doctor..he literally healed it by the next freakin day...pretty much a miracle in my book....

The doctor made you fill out a five page pain questionaire in exacting detail and description.

That doctor was amazing.

F@CK CHIROPRACTORS....they can cause severe

And irreversible damage. Stay away from those QUACKS.

Do not ever twist w/ your feet planted firmly.

It is the worst thing you can do...that means avoid ALL RACKET SPORTS...because those movements are constant in tennis...

And stuff....

teedubbya
Wednesday, July 2, 2014 7:53:33 AM
I go to a great chiro. I've also gone to a bad one. I don't have anything severe though snd think she knows her limits.

I get great relief though.

dstieger
Wednesday, July 2, 2014 9:35:54 AM
Sounds different than mine......only occasional and usually traced to seat support under my leg(s). Especially driving; by tilting the driver's seat forward a few degrees, I've mostly eliminated it. The other single 'change' that has helped enormously is to stop carrying my wallet in back pocket. Used to be that sitting on it was a trigger; in recent times, just having it in hip pocket - even standing started the 'effects'. Cargo shorts FTW!
Buckwheat
Wednesday, July 2, 2014 9:59:58 AM

Always do physical therapy first... do it and stick with it. Surgery should be your last resort.

I've had a pretty severe L4/L5 disk rupture before, at times in my life my left leg would go numb and the muscle atrophied and shrunk to half the size.

Chiropractors were a waste of time and money. Exercise, back and abdomen strengthening and stretching is what gets you back on your feet and functional.

Fusing two vertebrae has a downside of putting extra strain on the adjoining disks and may increase the chance of a rupture there.

victor809 wrote:

+1

dstieger
Wednesday, July 2, 2014 10:05:43 AM
I believe there are probably decent chiropractors out there....even if I've never met one. I think that there's an inherent problem with them, in that they have zero incentive to make you 'well'. They need to get you a little better - especially around the 4th or 5th visit - to keep you coming. But, if they get you to where you are pain free or can sustain the treatment yourself, they have lost your business. Again, there's probably a good one out there somewhere, but I suspect every one of not always having the patients' best interest as their objective.
DrafterX
Wednesday, July 2, 2014 10:10:33 AM
From my experience a herniated disk is not a ruptured disk. ruptured is when the 'crab meat' is coming out of the disk and wrapping around the nerve... that's what happened to me anyway.... on two levels... fusion was my only option at that point... that was about 18 years ago I think... since then two more levels have had to be fused because of the stress placed on them form the fusion below.. so I gots 5 levels fused now...

first thing is the MRI to determine the damage... if it's not ruptured get an inversion table and hang upside down when ever you think about it.. all the exercise mentioned above is good too but be careful...

Good luck man... avoid the knife if possible.... 👍

victor809
Wednesday, July 2, 2014 12:07:40 PM

I have to disagree beyond semantics as there are three categories: bulging, ruptured, herniated. Ruptured is close to herniated but the membrane is still partially or mostly intact. if the membrane that holds in the spongy disks between vertebrae is torn open or herniated, the disk will never recede.

frankj1 wrote:

You must have different info than I do... when I google it everything I find says a herniation and rupture are the same, but a bulge is different. Ah well, it's not like I'm a doctor. I just play one on discount cigar forums... 😉

HockeyDad
Wednesday, July 2, 2014 12:11:30 PM

I go to a great chiro. I've also gone to a bad one. I don't have anything severe though snd think she knows her limits.

I get great relief though.

teedubbya wrote:

Is that like a happy ending?

teedubbya
Wednesday, July 2, 2014 12:18:11 PM

Is that like a happy ending?

HockeyDad wrote:

no that's the massage.

I get accupuncture too. I think it works for pain and inflamation. Once you jam that needle in the pee hole the swelling goes down right away.

rfenst
Wednesday, July 2, 2014 12:43:11 PM

I believe there are probably decent chiropractors out there....even if I've never met one. I think that there's an inherent problem with them, in that they have zero incentive to make you 'well'. They need to get you a little better - especially around the 4th or 5th visit - to keep you coming. But, if they get you to where you are pain free or can sustain the treatment yourself, they have lost your business. Again, there's probably a good one out there somewhere, but I suspect every one of not always having the patients' best interest as their objective.

dstieger wrote:

b.s.

i have met plenty of good ones. the financial incentive argument only applies to dishonest ones and the same can be said of physiatrists and other docs who own MRI, diagnostic, surgical and p.t. facilities.

dstieger
Wednesday, July 2, 2014 12:45:57 PM
no...that really is my opinion. I feel the same about most shrinks, too.
victor809
Wednesday, July 2, 2014 12:50:51 PM
I'm not sure there is a well controlled regulatory body for chiropractors. There's no standards in place to establish what "good chiropractic practices" are, nor is there really any way of quantitatively determining how well they have helped their patients

This would allow the field to fill with charlatans and essentially faith healers.

Lets not get into the fact that they think they're healing something by simply cracking your back one way or the other.

frankj1
Wednesday, July 2, 2014 1:09:16 PM

You must have different info than I do... when I google it everything I find says a herniation and rupture are the same, but a bulge is different. Ah well, it's not like I'm a doctor. I just play one on discount cigar forums... ;)

victor809 wrote:

now you tell me! I've been following your advice column for years.

perhaps they both address tears but one is more severe? And I am the anti -google guy so I am relying on memory of doctor talks from 20 years ago...anyway, I can walk on my hind legs now and play golf poorly again.

delta1
Wednesday, July 2, 2014 1:10:49 PM
Condolences to you who suffer from severe back pain. Until I had a couple of bouts of lower back spasms caused by a pinched nerve, I had no idea. Pain was so severe that I had to stay curled up in a fetal position for hours at a time before the muscles relaxed. Luckily, no permanent damage, but I can't imagine being able to function with persistent back pain like that.

victor809
Wednesday, July 2, 2014 3:28:11 PM
I honestly never really realized how bad it was until I was in the Dr's for a separate reason. They gave me a shot of morphine, and I remember being so disappointed that it didn't have any impact on the back pain at all.
DrafterX
Wednesday, July 2, 2014 3:36:42 PM

I honestly never really realized how bad it was until I was in the Dr's for a separate reason. They gave me a shot of morphine, and I remember being so disappointed that it didn't have any impact on the back pain at all.

victor809 wrote:

yep... when the crab meat finally engulfed my spinal nerves I went down and went to the ER... they said they had given me enough morphine to put down a horse but it didn't cut the pain a bit... took them about 20 minutes to get me back into the car.. then they prescribed PT... I didn't get better and went to a different ER.. it was there I found out how bad I was and that the PT could have made me worse... 🤦

Abrignac
Wednesday, July 2, 2014 3:38:26 PM

Once you jam that needle in the pee hole the swelling goes down right away.

teedubbya wrote:

Remind to never go out binge drinking with you.

rfenst
Wednesday, July 2, 2014 3:52:32 PM

I'm not sure there is a well controlled regulatory body for chiropractors. There's no standards in place to establish what "good chiropractic practices" are, nor is there really any way of quantitatively determining how well they have helped their patients

This would allow the field to fill with charlatans and essentially faith healers.

Lets not get into the fact that they think they're healing something by simply cracking your back one way or the other.

victor809 wrote:

Surely you jest- at least here in Florida where chiros are licensed and controled by the state like MD's and DO's are. Is there quantification of how any other physician or surgeon have helped their patients? "cracking your back" is the greatest misunderstanding of what most chiros do and is laughable. Very few limit their practices to just that. Its the ones who think they can cure any problem with adjustment that give the rest a bad rap.

rfenst
Wednesday, July 2, 2014 4:01:29 PM

You must have different info than I do... when I google it everything I find says a herniation and rupture are the same, but a bulge is different. Ah well, it's not like I'm a doctor. I just play one on discount cigar forums... ;)

victor809 wrote:

bulge = bulge

herniation = bulge which protrudes

herniated nucleus pulposis = tear in anular rring such that the center of the disk protrudes out of the disk space

It's is not one of the above that counts, but what problem it may be causing. For example, is it pressing on a nerve or the spinal chord?

Bulges in and of themselves mean nothing. In fact, they are normally due degenerative changes and studies have found them readily in those who never had neck or back pain in their life.

victor809
Wednesday, July 2, 2014 5:09:47 PM

bulge = bulge

herniation = bulge which protrudes

herniated nucleus pulposis = tear in anular rring such that the center of the disk protrudes out of the disk space

It's is not one of the above that counts, but what problem it may be causing. For example, is it pressing on a nerve or the spinal chord?

Bulges in and of themselves mean nothing. In fact, they are normally due degenerative changes and studies have found them readily in those who never had neck or back pain in their life.

rfenst wrote:

We were trying to find a difference between Herniation and Rupture.