TMCTLT
12 years ago

I've never complained about TSA searching 80 year old black ladies in airports. It keeps them occupied so us business travelers can get through quicker. I appreciate those little old ladies taking one for the team.

HockeyDad wrote:





So now it's even " little 80 year old Black ladies....." Your such a baiter
HockeyDad
12 years ago

So now it's even " little 80 year old Black ladies....." Your such a baiter

TMCTLT wrote:




If they can't find any of them, TSA can hassle some hadjis if they can find some in line. Even hassling some of those poor dirty white people would be OK. Really, there should kinda be an established pecking order.

The important thing is that us business travelers get through as rapidly as possible.
teedubbya
12 years ago
At least the muslims have stopped their violence in northern ireland. there is hope.
Abrignac
12 years ago

At least the muslims have stopped their violence in northern ireland. there is hope.

teedubbya wrote:



That wasn't the Muslims. It was the Sumos.
teedubbya
12 years ago

That wasn't the Muslims. It was the Sumos.

Abrignac wrote:




damn those fat bassards
teedubbya
12 years ago
sort of an interesting read. I only include part of it.

"The START Global Terrorism Database spans from 1970 through 2012 (and will be updated from year-to-year), and – as of this writing – includes 104,000 terrorist incidents. As such, it is the most comprehensive open-source database open to the public.

We counted up the number of terrorist attacks carried out by Muslims. We excluded attacks by groups which are obviously not Muslims, such as the Ku Klux Klan, Medellin Drug Cartel, Irish Republican Army, Anti-Castro Group, Mormon extremists, Vietnamese Organization to Exterminate Communists and Restore the Nation, Jewish Defense League, May 19 Communist Order, Chicano Liberation Front, Jewish Armed Resistance, American Indian Movement, Gay Liberation Front, Aryan Nation, Jewish Action Movement, National Front for the Liberation of Cuba, or Fourth Reich Skinheads.


We counted attacks by Al Qaeda, the Taliban, Black American Moslems, or anyone who even remotely sounded Muslim … for example anyone from Palestine, Lebanon or any other Arab or Muslim country, or any name including anything sounding remotely Arabic or Indonesian (like “Al” anything or “Jamaat” anything).

If we weren’t sure what the person’s affiliation was, we looked up the name of the group to determine whether it could in any way be connected to Muslims.

Based on our review of the approximately 2,400 terrorist attacks on U.S. soil contained within the START database, we determined that approximately 60 were carried out by Muslims.

In other words, approximately 2.5% of all terrorist attacks on U.S. soil between 1970 and 2012 were carried out by Muslims.* This is a tiny proportion of all attacks.

(We determined that approximately 118 of the terror attacks – or 4.9% – were carried out by Jewish groups such as Jewish Armed Resistance, the Jewish Defense League, Jewish Action Movement, United Jewish Underground and Thunder of Zion. This is almost twice the percentage of Islamic attacks within the United States. If we look at worldwide attacks – instead of just attacks on U.S. soil – Sunni Muslims are the main perpetrators of terrorism. However: 1. Muslims are also the main victims of terror attacks worldwide; and 2. the U.S. backs the most radical types of Sunnis over more moderate Muslims and Arab secularists.)

Moreover, another study undertaken by the National Consortium for the Study of Terrorism and Responses to Terrorism – called ”Profiles of Perpetrators of Terrorism in the United States” – found:


Between 1970 and 2011, 32 percent of the perpetrator groups were motivated by ethnonationalist/separatist agendas, 28 percent were motivated by single issues, such as animal rights or opposition to war, and seven percent were motivated by religious beliefs. In addition, 11 percent of the perpetrator groups were classified as extreme right-wing, and 22 percent were categorized as extreme left-wing.

Preliminary findings from PPT-US data between 1970 and 2011 also illustrate a distinct shift in the dominant ideologies of these terrorist groups over time, with the proportion of emerging ethnonationalist/separatist terrorist groups declining and the proportion of religious terrorist groups increasing. However, while terrorist groups with religious ideologies represent 40 percent of all emergent groups from 2000-2011 (two out of five), they only account for seven percent of groups over time.

Similarly, a third study by the National Consortium for the Study of Terrorism and Responses to Terrorism Religion found that religion alone is not a key factor in determining which terrorists want to use weapons of mass destruction:


The available empirical data show that there is not a significant relationship between terrorist organizations’ pursuit of CBRN (chemical, biological, radiological or nuclear) weapons and the mere possession of a religious ideology, according to a new quantitative study by START researchers Victor Asal, Gary Ackerman and Karl Rethemeyer.

Therefore, Muslims are not more likely than other groups to want to use WMDs.

* The Boston marathon bombing was not included in this analysis, as START has not yet updated its database to include 2013 terrorist attacks. 3 people died in the Boston attack. While tragic, we are confident that non-Musliims killed more than 3 during this same period.

We are not experts in terrorism analysis. We would therefore defer to people like Kurzman on the exact number. However, every quantitative analysis of terrorism in the U.S. we have read shows that the percent of terror attacks carried out by Muslims is far less than 10%."

http://www.globalresearch.ca/non-muslims-carried-out-more-than-90-of-all-terrorist-attacks-in-america/5333619 

im sure its at least as credible as the op and the angry lady

oh yea I almost forgot

the sky is falling
teedubbya
12 years ago
another cut and paste

Another report from the FBI makes a lot of interesting points. Here are a few highlights:


APPROXIMATELY 641 terrorist incidents occurred in the United States between 1971 and June 1975. Among these attacks were 166 bombings, 120 fire bombings, and 118 shootings. (During the first six months of 1975 alone, 24 attacks occurred in California, 12 took place in New York, and 11 were directed at targets on the U.S. Commonwealth of Puerto Rico.) Some of these attacks were carried out by extremist ethnic groups and international terrorists. But the vast majority were attributed to leftwing/antiwar extremists, many operating within such organizations as the Weather Underground, Armed Forces of Puerto Rican Liberation (FALN), the Black Liberation Army, and the Symbionese Liberation Army. p35

WAVES in domestic terrorist activity are not absolute or all encompassing. During the 1970s and early 1980s, at the height of violent antiwar/left-wing activism, there were dozens of terrorist attacks carried out by Jewish extremist groups (such as the Jewish Defense League and the United Jewish Underground) and other extremist ethnic groups (such as the Justice Commandos of the Armenian Genocide). There were also sporadic incidents involving special interest groups supporting nuclear disarmament and other causes. During the 1990s, when antigovernment right-wing groups became a primary counterterrorism focus, left-wing extremist Puerto Rican separatists continued to conduct the majority of successful terrorist attacks in the United States–primarily on the island of Puerto Rico. (The majority of terrorist acts prevented by law enforcement during the decade, however, were being planned by antigovernment right-wing terrorists–underscoring the potential threat posed by this element.) p 37 to 38

But a study of the past reveals some potentially helpful patterns. Violent domestic extremism in the United States has been closely linked to contemporary political/social concerns. In each of the three identifiable waves, violent extremism has represented a small, radicalized component of broad-based, largely peaceful movements sharing similar concerns. With regard to left- and right-wing terrorism, aggressive prosecution of group leaders, violent offenders, and those plotting attacks contributed significantly to limiting the overall threat posed by groups with these orientations. p 38

The abilities to spread propaganda and recruit new members are important to the long-term viability of extremist movements. Leftist radical movements of the 1970 and early 1980s conducted much of their propaganda and recruiting through lectures and the distribution of handbills. While right-wing groups in the 1980s and 1990s began to exploit the Internet and cable access programming to spread their views, they largely depended on videotapes and books to attract new adherents to their antigovernment, race-supremacist ideologies. By contrast, animal rights and environmental extremists rely on sophisticated computer capabilities to exploit the communications potential of the Internet to disseminate propaganda, provide information updates to adherents, recruit new members, and make claims of responsibility for terrorist activities and acts of vandalism. The communications opportunities afforded by the World Wide Web can be expected to have a far-reaching impact on the ability of contemporary extremist groups to perpetuate propaganda and attract new members. p 38

CONCLUSION - BROAD TRENDS in domestic terrorism can be identified throughout the past four decades. These trends demonstrate the fluidity of causes that can inspire acts of terrorism within a culture. A society as large, diverse, and complex as the United States can be expected to continue to yield divergent concerns and beliefs among groups and individuals who view extreme actions as the most effective means to convey their sentiments. An appreciation of the largescale shifts in terrorist trends may assist law enforcement in understanding general patterns in the threat posed by domestic extremists over several decades. The emerging challenges confronting the law enforcement community underscore more than ever the importance of interagency cooperation, effective analysis, and aggressive investigation to counter these threats. p 40.
opelmanta1900
12 years ago
TW - very misleading on your part and I think you know it...

"In other words, approximately 2.5% of all terrorist attacks on U.S. soil between 1970 and 2012 were carried out by Muslims.* This is a tiny proportion of all attacks."

Do yourself a favor and go and find out what this liberal group considers a terrorist attack... then filter out all the ones in which no people were attacked... your numbers (you're the one using them) are going to shift drastically...

then filter out the ones in which no one was killed... your numbers are now going to make you look like an idiot for ever posting this article...
teedubbya
12 years ago
if you say so.
victor809
12 years ago

TW - very misleading on your part and I think you know it...

"In other words, approximately 2.5% of all terrorist attacks on U.S. soil between 1970 and 2012 were carried out by Muslims.* This is a tiny proportion of all attacks."

Do yourself a favor and go and find out what this liberal group considers a terrorist attack... then filter out all the ones in which no people were attacked... your numbers (you're the one using them) are going to shift drastically...

then filter out the ones in which no one was killed... your numbers are now going to make you look like an idiot for ever posting this article...

opelmanta1900 wrote:



Seems like that's more a competence issue. Are we just angry because the Muslim terrorists are more competent than the non-muslim terrorists?
teedubbya
12 years ago
22 USC. § 2656f(d)(2) which defines terrorism as "premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against noncombatant targets by subnational groups or clandestine agents."


the definition is pretty easy unless we want to change it which we learned earlier this week is criminal to do.

The OP is silly and absurd, based in no way on solid data or causual evidence. I have no idea if the numbers above ar accurate or not and won't short of going to the data set myself which I have no intention on doing. I do know even if they are flawed at a minimum they are every bit as legitimate as the OP and the angry woman.
Abrignac
12 years ago

TW - very misleading on your part and I think you know it...

"In other words, approximately 2.5% of all terrorist attacks on U.S. soil between 1970 and 2012 were carried out by Muslims.* This is a tiny proportion of all attacks."

Do yourself a favor and go and find out what this liberal group considers a terrorist attack... then filter out all the ones in which no people were attacked... your numbers (you're the one using them) are going to shift drastically...

then filter out the ones in which no one was killed... your numbers are now going to make you look like an idiot for ever posting this article...

opelmanta1900 wrote:




Is this another one of those not coming across very well posts?

What liberal group is it you speak of, the FBI?

What do you mean by filtering out the ones in which no one was killed?
opelmanta1900
12 years ago



The OP is silly and absurd, based in no way on solid data or causual evidence. I have no idea if the numbers above ar accurate or not and won't short of going to the data set myself which I have no intention on doing. I do know even if they are flawed at a minimum they are every bit as legitimate as the OP and the angry woman.

teedubbya wrote:



lol... ok we can agree on all of that...
teedubbya
12 years ago

lol... ok we can agree on all of that...

opelmanta1900 wrote:




🇨🇮 my guess is there is plenty of BS to be spread
HockeyDad
12 years ago
I wonder how many terrorist attacks were done by poor dirty white people who don't meet societal standards. Prolly the majority.
DrafterX
12 years ago

I wonder how many terrorist attacks were done by poor dirty white people who don't meet societal standards. Prolly the majority.

HockeyDad wrote:




I can think of one anyway.... 😟
opelmanta1900
12 years ago

Seems like that's more a competence issue. Are we just angry because the Muslim terrorists are more competent than the non-muslim terrorists?

victor809 wrote:



you've made an assumption that the aim of every terror attack is to kill... the article tw cited made the assumption that all terror attacks are equal... both approaches are greatly inaccurate...

am I angrier at people who try to kill as opposed to those who attempt to bother a group of people?

am I angrier with actions of hitler than of those actions of a group of ruffians harassing a group of Jewish youth? yes... I dislike the actions of both, but they're not to be compared with one another...
teedubbya
12 years ago

I can think of one anyway.... 😟

DrafterX wrote:




yea me too. think of it almost every work day.
victor809
12 years ago

you've made an assumption that the aim of every terror attack is to kill... the article tw cited made the assumption that all terror attacks are equal... both approaches are greatly inaccurate...

am I angrier at people who try to kill as opposed to those who attempt to bother a group of people?

am I angrier with actions of hitler than of those actions of a group of ruffians harassing a group of Jewish youth? yes... I dislike the actions of both, but they're not to be compared with one another...

opelmanta1900 wrote:



Interesting you should say that. I don't disagree... and the data probably could be refined to some sort of "deadly terrorist attacks".
but on that note... the kicking and screaming about Ayers in this forum always likes to ignore the idea that he fit into the "not trying to kill people" group. But I digress. Just like to point out double standards occasionally.
TMCTLT
12 years ago

I wonder how many terrorist attacks were done by poor dirty white people who don't meet societal standards. Prolly the majority.

HockeyDad wrote:




Or paid for by self centered business men...:-" [gonzo] .....prolly
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