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fiddler898
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11 years ago

#21

People have always been afraid of drowning, so the story of a major flood has been around for years in different civilizations. It did not originate in the Bible.

Mr Roso wrote:

Not sure about the fear of drowning part, but it's true that most cultures - independent of one another -have some kind of flood story, as well as a creation story. It's one way the ancients had of making sense of things they couldn't otherwise understand.

cacman
Herf-A-Holic

11 years ago

#22

It was in the Bible, therefore I have faith ...

jetblasted wrote:

fixed that for ya.

A guy builds a boat because the voice in his head told him to??? Today, this guy would be heavily medicated.

jespear
Herf-A-Holic

11 years ago

#23

My comment was meant for the OP.

Pff. People seriously believing in this tale = 😣

Mr Roso wrote:

Just a little food for thought, Mr Roso . . .

Lets say the 'non-believers" are right, and there is no God or afterlife.
When we "believers" die, what consequences do we suffer ?

On the other hand . . .
If we "believers" ARE right, and there IS a God and an afterlife, what consequences do the "non-believers" face when THEY die.

Not looking for a long argumentative reply.
Just wanted to give you something to think about.

jes

sd72
Herf-A-Holic

11 years ago

#24

Do you think it was all inclusive, or drinks were extra?

Brewha
Herf-A-Holic

11 years ago

#25

Do you think it was all inclusive, or drinks were extra?

sd72 wrote:

I hope you are not suggesting that heaven might not have an open bar.....

frankj1
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11 years ago

#26

I hope you are not suggesting that heaven might not have an open bar.....

Brewha wrote:

...as do Jewish weddings and bar mitzvahs!
Guess I've been to heaven and back (and paid the bill several times too).

rfenst
Herf-A-Holic

11 years ago

#27

"What do I have to lose" based on fear of "consequence of not beleiving" isn't a true beleif in God to me. But, to each his own...

Edited by user 11 years ago | Reason: Not specified

Brewha
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11 years ago

#28

"What do I have to lose" based on fear of "consequence of not beleiving" isn't a true beleif in God to me. But, to each his own...

rfenst wrote:

Pascal's Wager - not a good bet......

Mr Roso
Connoisseur

11 years ago

#29

jespear wrote:

Believing in an afterlife just because it gives you that warm and fuzzy feeling does not make it true. Us Atheist don't need to hold that belief in order to enjoy life and care for loved ones. Actually, it makes us hold those we love more dearly since we know our time together is short.
A belief in Noah's ark, on the other hand, is simply childish, to say crudely.

jespear
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11 years ago

#30

"What do I have to lose" based on fear of "consequence of not beleiving" isn't a true beleif in God to me. But, to each his own...

rfenst wrote:

Robert,
My belief in God is not based on "fear of consequence of not believing".
It is based on faith.
There have been things that have happened in my life that if not for "Divine Intervention", I would be dead in my grave.
I realize that there are those who would just chalk this up to fate or me just being lucky, but as you stated . . .
"To each his own".

jespear
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11 years ago

#31

Believing in an afterlife just because it gives you that warm and fuzzy feeling does not make it true.

I never said it was true. I said I BELIEVE that it's true. It's called FAITH.

Us Atheist don't need to hold that belief in order to enjoy life and care for loved ones.

As rfenst stated above . . . "To each his own."

Actually, it makes us hold those we love more dearly since we know our time together is short.

I have no doubt that you love your family and loved ones, but let me assure you, no one loves their family more than I.
Equally, maybe, but not more.

Edited by user 11 years ago | Reason: Not specified

opelmanta1900
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11 years ago

#32

Mr Roso wrote:

you should hear about some of the other childish stuff I believe in...

the mouths of hungry lions being miraculously shut...

Men surviving being thrown into giant pits of fire...

people going happily to their deaths, being sawed in two, rip to pieces, forfeiting life and children - and all with great joy...

but if you ask me, you picked the wrong event to mock...

Most "childish" of all, I believe that God Himself came to this earth in the flesh of a human, was murdered by the very people he came to save, and (here's the worst part) that man - God - lives again, despite having died a very real death.... as powerful as death is - it will conquer even you someday mr roso - but as powerful as it is, it doesn't have a finger on God...

Childish, crazy, call it what you want, I live by this, so much so that I should be pitied by all men if what the Word of God says isn't true...

jeferris
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11 years ago

#33

Amen...It's about faith; I believe...

jetblasted
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11 years ago

#34

Back in the early 70's, doctors found an orange sized tumor in my Grandmother. Plans were made to have it removed.

Prayer networks were started. Their Church held her in prayer, Church leaflets were sent out asking for prayer, the local religious radio station asked for prayer & word of mouth spread.

When the doctors opened her up to remove the tumor, the tumor was gone. It had completely disappeared.

I believe in the power of prayer & I believe in the Heavenly Father & His Son, Jesus Christ, The Lord.

victor809
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11 years ago

#35

There is so much wrong with this.... all of it.

Anyone who believes the ark story really doesn't understand the sheer number of species on our planet... even just the weight of two of each species of insect would likely exceed an ark of biblical proportions... let alone anything larger.

And to wager you're better off believing in a deity, just in case... that's mortgaging your present for a very low probability future....

Don't get me started on the rest of this...

danmdevries
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11 years ago

#36

http://theoatmeal.com/comics/religion

Pretty much sums up my views very well.

Always had a hard time with it. Parents were super into their religion, I never recall buying into it. Not for lack of trying either. I did, but wasn't satisfied with the answers to my questions. Wound up dropping out of high school (parents refused to sign enrollment when I tried to go to public school) and getting booted from my parent's home over it. I didn't drop out because I didn't want an education. On the contrary, I got my GED and started college. I didn't want the constant arguments and detentions that arose from my "unfaithful questions" I wanted an education.

I have no problem with religion and personal beliefs in general. My issue arises from when the beliefs turn you into a jackhole.

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TMCTLT
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11 years ago

#37

There is so much wrong with me.... all of Me....

Yes....yes there is.

Anyone who believes the ark story really doesn't understand the sheer number of species on our planet... even just the weight of two of each species of insect would likely exceed an ark of biblical proportions... let alone anything larger.

And to wager you're better off believing in a deity, just in case... that's mortgaging your present for a very low probability future....

Don't get me started on the rest of this...

On behalf of everyone here......I THANK YOU for NOT getting started. 🤦

victor809 wrote:

opelmanta1900
Herf-A-Holic

11 years ago

#38

victor809 wrote:

I quoted from a non-Christian source just for you Victor... not that it will change your mind... this isn't your objection, just a side show...

Noah’s Ark would have floated even with two of every animal in the world packed inside, scientists have calculated.
Although researchers are unsure if all the creatures could have squeezed into the huge boat, they are confident it would have handled the weight of 70,000 creatures without sinking.
A group of master’s students from the Department of Physics and Astronomy at Leicester University studied the exact dimensions of the Ark, set out in Genesis 6:13-22.
According to The Bible, God instructed Noah to build a boat which was 300 cubits long 50 cubits wide and 30 cubits high – recommending gopher wood for the enormous lifeboat.
The students averaged out the Egyptian and Hebrew cubit measurement to come up with 48.2cm, making the Ark around 144 metres long – about 100 metres shorter than Ark Royal.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-news/10740451/Noahs-Ark-would-have-floated...even-with-70000-animals.html

Burner02
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11 years ago

#39

A Quarter?

*Several years ago, a preacher from out-of-state accepted a call to a church in Houston , Texas . Some weeks after he arrived, he had an occasion to ride the bus from his home to the downtown area. When he sat down, he discovered that the driver had accidentally given him a quarter too much change.. As he considered what to do, he thought to himself, 'You'd better give the quarter back. It would be wrong to keep it.' Then he thought, 'Oh, forget it, it's only a quarter. Who would worry about this little amount? Anyway, the bus company gets too much fare; they will never miss it. Accept it as a 'gift from God' and keep quiet.'*

*When his stop came, he paused momentarily at the door, and then he handed the quarter to the driver and said, 'Here, you gave me too much change ..'*

*The driver, with a smile, replied, 'Aren't you the new preacher in town?'*

*'Yes' he replied.'Well, I have been thinking a lot lately about going somewhere to worship. I just wanted to see what you would do if I gave you too much change. I'll see you at church on Sunday.'*

*When the preacher stepped off of the bus, he literally grabbed the nearest light pole, held on, and said, 'Oh God, I almost sold your Son for a quarter'*

* Our lives are the only Bible some people will ever read. This is a really scary example of how much people watch us as Christians, and will put us to the test! Always be on guard -- and remember -- You carry the name of Christ on your shoulders when you call yourself 'Christian.'*

*Watch your thoughts ; they become words.Watch your words; they become actions.

Watch your actions; they become habits..

Watch your habits; they become character.

Watch your character; it becomes your destiny.

Brewha
Herf-A-Holic

11 years ago

#40

Myself, I believe that each of us comes to know God in their own way. So, it would be proper to respect the believes of others even when you don't share them.

That said, some fundamentalists paint themselves in a corner by insisting on their literal interpretation of scripture. Some even assert that there is no interpretation. And since culture often teaches by allegory and metaphor, sometimes the lesson is lost in favor of believing the tale.

We all agree that the Greeks used myths to teach and that they were often stories of the Gods. I think it is reasonable to assume that the Abrahamic religions did the same thing.

The story of Noah teaches a number of things, and they shouln't be lost in an argument over what a 600 year old man can do with gopher wood......

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