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Let's see.
1) Wanting to integrate government and their religion.
2) Condemning people who are not of their faith to eternal torment.
3) Not wanting to give equal rights to women and homosexuals.
4) Deny modern science's explanation of natural phenomenon.

And YES Christians and Muslims worship the same God. Muslims just treat Jesus as a profit.

Buckwheat wrote:

smh

surfish1961
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9 years ago

#24

Buckwheat wrote:

1) Did you ever hear of separation of Church and State?
2) You listen to that so-called Church in Florida too much.
3) Have you listened to the new Pope at all.
4) Modern science doesn't want to accept that some people have faith.

That's **** hilarious. You're either stupid or just plain ignorant. I'm done here. I'll let the other good BOTL's take it from here.

danmdevries
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9 years ago

#25

same God, different name, different claims on what He says...both go back to the OT and Abraham.

frankj1 wrote:

Who was a dude who heard voices, mutilated his genitals, and tried to sacrifice his son.

bgz
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9 years ago

#26

surfish1961 wrote:

Ok....

1) You realize the founding father's ideas were to let all Christian sects have a freedom of religion, not necessarily anyone else. Remember how they burned witches at the stake... or forced conversion on natives because their beliefs were deemed to be wrong.

2) Not sure what this church you're talking about has to do with anything, but if you're bringing it up, I'm sure it must enforce Buckwheat's point.

3) Over the years the Catholic church had to adapt to modern science, technology and western ideologies... adapt or die. Doesn't erase the crusades, dark ages, slaughtering of pagans and other polytheists, the smiting of Gays, keeping women in line, etc....

4) You don't seem to accept history, and are unwilling to accept scientific explanations for phenomenon despite overwhelming evidence. I mean, you have a hard time believing "theories" because they are just "theories" right?

You may consider giving up your cell phone's GPS to find the nearest adult book store as it relies on the global positioning system which relies on the "theory" of relativity in order for it to work correctly. I suggest you just turn that thing off, close your eyes, and let god point you in the right direction.

Furthermore, if you don't understand that both Christianity and Islam are subsets of Abrahamic religions, here's a link for you (good ol wikipedia)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abrahamic_religions

There, a good BOTL took over for you're ignorant ass :)

Oh, the picture you posted was funny as hell... but I don't think you truly understand it's meaning.

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Buckwheat
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9 years ago

#27

1) Did you ever hear of separation of Church and State?
Yes. But here is what is actually in the BOR.
“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof

2) You listen to that so-called Church in Florida too much.
Never listen to them.

3) Have you listened to the new Pope at all.
Yes, I was raised Roman Catholic. Do you actually understand what he has been saying?

4) Modern science doesn't want to accept that some people have faith.
Why should it? Faith is not the domain of science.

That's **** hilarious. You're either stupid or just plain ignorant. I'm done here. I'll let the other good BOTL's take it from here.

surfish1961 wrote:

The bottom line is that you think I'm stupid and ignorant because I don't believe what you believe. I'm good with that.

PS Thanks bgz for stepping in and giving additional examples. I'm actually pretty busy today at work and didn't have time to do it.

jjanecka
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9 years ago

#28

same God, different name, different claims on what He says...both go back to the OT and Abraham.

frankj1 wrote:

False, while Islam may believe in the same God, Islam has only existed for 1,500 years and does not follow the majority of the mitzvahs that exist in Judiasm. It can be debated, that Christianity does not either but those opinions come from uninformed sources that do not understand that Jesus was one of the biggest advocates of the Torah and a well studied Champion of the Oral Law.

If Muslims wish to have any relevance they need to restructure their faith in order for it to be more complicit and more complimentary to Jewish and Christian values. Mohammed did a disservice to the Muslim peoples when he attempted to rewrite scripture; at least Jesus argued his interpretation and justified it. The only arguement seen in Islam is, "Who are you to say what God wills?"

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teedubbya
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9 years ago

#29

I'm with Frank.

jjanecka
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9 years ago

#30

Frank is a good guy, there's no reason why you shouldn't value his opinion.

ajerrils
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9 years ago

#31

A theory is something is an unsubstantiated and speculative guess, conjecture, idea, or hypothesis.

A scientific theory is an explanation of an aspect of the world that is obtained through scientific methods that are tested and confirmed. Usually through written predefined rules of observations and experiments. Scientific theories are either verified or falsified. Example Theory of Relativity requires light to be constant, however scientist have found that this isn't true. That doesn't mean that you can't benefit from the theory since GPS do work within 5 meters.

The problem is that you can't prove with scientific theories that God exist, which is where faith that God exist comes into play. If you don't have faith then your theory is that God doesn't exist. If you do then your theory is that God does exist.

I would rather believe and be wrong, then not believe and be wrong.

tailgater
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9 years ago

#32

Muslims just treat Jesus as a profit.

Buckwheat wrote:

Televangelists use Jesus for profit as well.

tailgater
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9 years ago

#33

How did a post featuring a funny cartoon of liberal selective outrage become a discussion of Christian faith?

bgz
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9 years ago

#34

ajerrils wrote:

I'll give you partial credit....

You're equating a theory to a hypothesis where theory is the next step after the hypothesis.

The purpose of a hypothesis is to test it to see whether or not it can correctly model real world observations.

If it can model real world observations and is testable / repeatable, then it becomes a theory.

Then the goal is to keep testing it to make sure it holds up to new data and observations and revise and test as necessary.

A theory that stands the test of time and is found to be un-falsifiable over time is reclassified as a law... but even then, I would argue that said laws should be tested again over time.

As for your assertion that scientist have found that the "speed of light" in a vacuum (c) is not constant by "scientists", I would love to see this link. There's a lot of physics that have to be re-written if this is the case, and I have not heard of any such claims that stand up to scrutiny.

I have heard of problems with different organizations attempting to measure the gravitational constant (G), where there have been fluctuations where the measurements appear to oscillate... but to my recollection I don't think any of them claimed that these fluctuations implied variable c.

For the record, I'm open to the idea of variable c if someone could provide mathematical formulas that hold up to real world observations.

In any case, I don't really care what anyone believes in, but if you can provide a link to this proven variable c, I would appreciate it.

DrafterX
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9 years ago

#35

How did a post featuring a funny cartoon of liberal selective outrage become a discussion of Christian faith?

tailgater wrote:

I think someone tried to link disagreeing with same sex marriage to blowing up the world trade center... or somethin like that...

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DrafterX
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9 years ago

#36

For the record, I'm open to the idea of variable c if someone could provide mathematical formulas that hold up to real world observations.

In any case, I don't really care what anyone believes in, but if you can provide a link to this proven variable c, I would appreciate it.

bgz wrote:

Victor knows some of them gazintas... 😟

Buckwheat
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9 years ago

#37

jjanecka wrote:

So what you are basically saying is that Muslims need to become Christians or Jews to be relevant? I think some Muslims would have the same basic feeling about Christians and Jews needing to follow Islamic law to become more relevant.

Also most Christians don't folly the majority of the mitzvahs either.
Had a BLT lately? Deuteronomy 14:8
Wear clothing made from two different kinds of fabric? Deuteronomy 22:11
Not stoned your child for disobeying you or your wife? Deuteronomy 21:18-21
Slept in the same bed as a woman who has her period? Ezekiel 18
Worked on the Sabbath (Saturday not Sunday)? Exodus 20:8-11

Ever done any of these things? [ram27bat]

bgz
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9 years ago

#38

Excellent!

gummy jones
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9 years ago

#39

same God, different name, different claims on what He says...both go back to the OT and Abraham.

frankj1 wrote:

so same God despite different attributes and character?

hmm

ill have to do some thunkin on that one

jjanecka
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9 years ago

#40

I definitely was expecting this counter arguement. As stated in my previous comment, you're not taking into account the arguements and justifications that Jesus made.

Additionally the arguement over mixing threads is irrelevant considering the original context was meant only for not mixing threads of a very specific fabric type as explained by numerous rabbinical scholars.

Jesus had no qualms with working on the sabbath, "which one of you here would not go to save your donkey in the well"

Additionally Jesus had no problems curing the woman of her hemmoraging by her merely touching his cloak.

Additionally Jesus spared the woman of her adultery by saying "those who are without sin should cast the first stone."

Your arguement is just a petty misdirection. My arguement bases its assumption on the Ancient Christian Churches (Roman Catholic, Orthodoxy, Byzantine Catholic, Coptic Catholics) who still are in practice and structure their churches and tabernacles according to the Old Law and who practice the Passover daily as was commanded by Jesus through his flesh and blood during the last supper.

Additionally, regardless of whatever denomination, we as Christians form our beliefs upon both the Old Law and the New. Islam only bases their teachings on the Qua'aran which very loosely alludes to any Biblical references. My arguement is not that Islam must become more Christian/Jewish but rather, they are not getting the full story and need to read the entirety of scripture not just what is loosely referenced in the Qua'aran.

Imagine if the whole of Christianity soley based it's beliefs upon the New Testament without any knowledge of the Law of the Old Testament to ground it in the correct context. The world would be entirely different.

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