Abrignac
9 years ago

All Americans, not only in the states most heavily affected but in every place in this country, are rightly disturbed by the large numbers of illegal aliens entering our country. The jobs they hold might otherwise be held by citizens or legal immigrants. The public service they use impose burdens on our taxpayers. That's why our administration has moved aggressively to secure our borders more by hiring a record number of new border guards, by deporting twice as many criminal aliens as ever before, by cracking down on illegal hiring, by barring welfare benefits to illegal aliens. In the budget I will present to you, we will try to do more to speed the deportation of illegal aliens who are arrested for crimes, to better identify illegal aliens in the workplace as recommended by the commission headed by former Congresswoman Barbara Jordan. We are a nation of immigrants. But we are also a nation of laws. It is wrong and ultimately self-defeating for a nation of immigrants to permit the kind of abuse of our immigration laws we have seen in recent years, and we must do more to stop it.

President William Jefferson Clinton's State of the Union address to Congress on January 24, 1995 wrote:



Check it out:


History has a funny way of reminding people of the past.
tonygraz
9 years ago
Remember what Pence said about banning immigrants in 2015.
opelmanta1900
9 years ago
Did he tell them to eat sh*t and die?
Abrignac
9 years ago
Tony, I'm assuming this is what you are referring to???

Calls to ban Muslims from entering the U.S. are offensive and unconstitutional.

— Governor Mike Pence (@GovPenceIN) December 8, 2015
teedubbya
9 years ago
I think the vast vast majority of folks are anti illegal immigration. But there are degrees of rabidity and scapegoating that differ. It's not black and white.
Abrignac
9 years ago
Perhaps, we need a lesson on this so called Muslim ban.

Here is a link to that Executive Order being called a Muslim ban:

https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2017/01/27/executive-order-protecting-nation-foreign-terrorist-entry-united-states [/u]

I did a word search "Muslim." To my complete and utter surprise that word is found absolutely no where in that Executive Order.

Interesting though this is found within said Executive Order:

(c) To temporarily reduce investigative burdens on relevant agencies during the review period described in subsection (a) of this section, to ensure the proper review and maximum utilization of available resources for the screening of foreign nationals, and to ensure that adequate standards are established to prevent infiltration by foreign terrorists or criminals, pursuant to section 212(f) of the INA, 8 U.S.C. 1182(f), I hereby proclaim that the immigrant and nonimmigrant entry into the United States of aliens from countries referred to in section 217(a)(12) of the INA, 8 U.S.C. 1187(a)(12), would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, and I hereby suspend entry into the United States, as immigrants and nonimmigrants, of such persons for 90 days from the date of this order (excluding those foreign nationals traveling on diplomatic visas, North Atlantic Treaty Organization visas, C-2 visas for travel to the United Nations, and G-1, G-2, G-3, and G-4 visas).

(12) Not present in Iraq, Syria, or any other country or area of concern
(A) In generalExcept as provided in subparagraphs (B) and (C)—
(i) the alien has not been present, at any time on or after March 1, 2011—
(I) in Iraq or Syria;
(II) in a country that is designated by the Secretary of State under section 4605(j) of title 50 (as continued in effect under the International Emergency Economic Powers Act (50 U.S.C. 1701 et seq.)), section 2780 of title 22, section 2371 of title 22, or any other provision of law, as a country, the government of which has repeatedly provided support of acts of international terrorism; or
(III) in any other country or area of concern designated by the Secretary of Homeland Security under subparagraph (D); and
(ii) regardless of whether the alien is a national of a program country, the alien is not a national of—
(I) Iraq or Syria;
(II) a country that is designated, at the time the alien applies for admission, by the Secretary of State under section 4605(j) of title 50 (as continued in effect under the International Emergency Economic Powers Act (50 U.S.C. 1701 et seq.)), section 2780 of title 22, section 2371 of title 22, or any other provision of law, as a country, the government of which has repeatedly provided support of acts of international terrorism; or
(III) any other country that is designated, at the time the alien applies for admission, by the Secretary of Homeland Security under subparagraph (D).

217(a)(12) of the INA, 8 U.S.C. 1187(a)(12) wrote:



WASHINGTON—The Department of Homeland Security today announced that it is continuing its implementation of the Visa Waiver Program Improvement and Terrorist Travel Prevention Act of 2015 with the addition of Libya, Somalia, and Yemen as three countries of concern, limiting Visa Waiver Program travel for certain individuals who have traveled to these countries.


DHS Announces Further Travel Restrictions for the Visa Waiver Program (paragraph 1)
Release Date:
February 18, 2016 wrote:



Last month, the United States began implementing changes under the Act. The three additional countries designated today join Iran, Iraq, Sudan and Syria as countries subject to restrictions for Visa Waiver Program travel for certain individuals. Under the new law, the Secretary of Homeland Security may waive these restrictions if he determines that such a waiver is in the law enforcement or national security interests of the United States. Such waivers will be granted only on a case-by-case basis. As a general matter, categories of travelers who may be eligible for a waiver include individuals who traveled to these countries on behalf of international organizations, regional organizations, and sub-national governments on official duty; on behalf of a humanitarian NGO on official duty; or as a journalist for reporting purposes.

DHS Announces Further Travel Restrictions for the Visa Waiver Program (paragraph 3)
Release Date:
February 18, 2016(paragraph 2) wrote:



Where was the outrage when Obama instituted a Muslim ban on February 18, 2016???
Burner02
9 years ago
Don't know that they can get their arms around this much info.
fiddler898
9 years ago
Why bother perpetuating a false equivalency? And don't ask me about it - do your own homework and report to class tomorrow morning.
victor809
9 years ago
... because removing a visa waiver is not banning someone?

They just need a visa. I mean... I've had to get visas to go to some countries before... all the restrictions of the visa waiver program did is required some individuals who were travelling without a visa to get one.
Abrignac
9 years ago

Why bother perpetuating a false equivalency? And don't ask me about it - do your own homework and report to class tomorrow morning.

fiddler898 wrote:



My paper has been turned in. Feel free to mark what is incorrect. But, please don't forget to include remarks so I can make corrections.
tonygraz
9 years ago
I don't know why you are surprised that the word Muslim is not in the Executive Order. All the rhetoric prior to the order was heavy with religious commentary and apparently someone scrubbed any mention of religion from the Executive Order to keep it from being obviously unconstitutional.
tailgater
9 years ago

I don't know why you are surprised that the word Muslim is not in the Executive Order. All the rhetoric prior to the order was heavy with religious commentary and apparently someone scrubbed any mention of religion from the Executive Order to keep it from being obviously unconstitutional.

tonygraz wrote:



LOL!

You're right about the rhetoric, but when the pedal hit the metal the ban wasn't based on religion, but rather on the countries already identified as a threat.
Only a simpleton would still call it a ban on Muslims.
No offense intended...


DrMaddVibe
9 years ago
Why it's nothing like when the Kenyan King banned Cuban refugees.
tailgater
9 years ago
Best part is that this is temporary.
120 days.
To better define the process and reassess the situation.
(but the left whine).

Further to the point, when Obama did the same thing to Iraq back in 2011 for a full 6 months (that's twice as long as the 120 days, for the apparently mathematically challenged left) there were "thousands" that had to abort previously planned flights. and people were literally "taken off planes" because of the Obama ban.
(but the left were silent).

So stop with the outcry about human rights.
This is 100% pure partisan politics.
And to cloak it in something more meaningful is disingenuous at best.

Buncha whiny snowflakes.
You lost.
Get over it.
🇨🇮
tailgater
9 years ago
Side note:
I'm looking for pointers on how else I can antagonize the mewling masses who hate trump with a new found passion.


MACS
9 years ago

Side note:
I'm looking for pointers on how else I can antagonize the mewling masses who hate trump with a new found passion.

tailgater wrote:



Before you do... brush up on yo math skillz, sucka. 6 months = 180 days, 120 days is 2/3 of 180, not half.
victor809
9 years ago
Tail... your obama 2011 comparison is faulty according to factcheck.

http://www.factcheck.org/2017/01/trumps-faulty-refugee-policy-comparison/ 
DrafterX
9 years ago
Trump made Schumer cry.. 😞
Mr. Jones
9 years ago
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delta1
9 years ago
[quote=Abrignac]Perhaps, we need a lesson on this so called Muslim ban.

Here is a link to that Executive Order being called a Muslim ban:

https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2017/01/27/executive-order-protecting-nation-foreign-terrorist-entry-united-states [/u]

I did a word search "Muslim." To my complete and utter surprise that word is found absolutely no where in that Executive Order.

quote]

Illegal discrimination can take two forms: de jure, by law; and de facto, in practice.

The Supreme Court has found unconstitutional discrimination using both tests. So although nowhere in Trump's order does it say that Muslims will be banned, in practice, as implemented, the only people detained were Muslims.
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