DrafterX
9 years ago
So that's kinda like saying all people from San Francisco are banned and only gay-homos were being detained.. 😟
DrMaddVibe
9 years ago
Maybe it was ungay homos?

What about bisexual clowns?

What about transsexual boy scouts?

#-o
delta1
9 years ago
yep, if they were detained...

Trump didn't make it easy for the AG/DOJ to defend this in the courts. He has consistently said he was going to ban all Muslims and do extreme vetting. It's already being litigated in many states, and more than likely will make its way to the US Supreme Court. He better hurry up and get somebody who thinks like him nominated...shoulda done that first...
delta1
9 years ago

Before you do... brush up on yo math skillz, sucka. 6 months = 180 days, 120 days is 2/3 of 180, not half.

MACS wrote:



chuckle...1/2...
gummy jones
9 years ago
uncontrolled and unvetted immigration is bad for almost everyone
opelmanta1900
9 years ago
I think the courts will likely recognize the difference between

A) temporarily halting immigration from some - not all - predominately Muslim countries where entirely Muslim terrorist activities are known to be planned and trained for

And

B) placing a "ban on all muslims"
delta1
9 years ago
or

C) go fishing!!!
DrMaddVibe
9 years ago

yep, if they were detained...

Trump didn't make it easy for the AG/DOJ to defend this in the courts. He has consistently said he was going to ban all Muslims and do extreme vetting. It's already being litigated in many states, and more than likely will make its way to the US Supreme Court. He better hurry up and get somebody who thinks like him nominated...shoulda done that first...

delta1 wrote:




Nothing like stretching the truth...why that's really called lying!

Why not go all in and call him a homophobe and a misogynist while you're at it!
opelmanta1900
9 years ago

or

C) go fishing!!!

delta1 wrote:


If they don't pick c, they're idiots!
tailgater
9 years ago

Before you do... brush up on yo math skillz, sucka. 6 months = 180 days, 120 days is 2/3 of 180, not half.

MACS wrote:



Do I win an irony award?

tailgater
9 years ago

Tail... your obama 2011 comparison is faulty according to factcheck.

http://www.factcheck.org/2017/01/trumps-faulty-refugee-policy-comparison/ 

victor809 wrote:



What part is faulty?
Be specific.

Obama put a ban on Iraqi's traveling into the US.
People were inconvenienced.
The world continued to spin.
The left didn't riot.

Where was I misled?

victor809
9 years ago
I'm not reading that damn article again.
tailgater
9 years ago
So you see where I'm coming from?


Abrignac
9 years ago

I'm not reading that damn article again.

victor809 wrote:



A while back, Obama's admin invoked travel restrictions using the EXACT same seven nations as identifiers. The left didn't make a peep. Trump does it and it's like Godzilla took a huge crap everywhere. Somehow factcheck misses the point.

That pretty much sums it up.
victor809
9 years ago
Nah. Same nations. Much less restricted. Something about just not allowing automatic visa issuance. Not gonna look right now, at the gym.
victor809
9 years ago
To be fair.. he also didn't have Giuliani making pronouncements that he helped design it to make a technically legal way to specially ban muslims....
Abrignac
9 years ago

To be fair.. he also didn't have Giuliani making pronouncements that he helped design it to make a technically legal way to specially ban muslims....

victor809 wrote:




Yep, talk about sour grapes.
DrafterX
9 years ago
“President Obama is heartened by the level of engagement taking place in communities around the country,” Kevin Lewis, a spokesman for the former president, said in a statement. “Citizens exercising their constitutional right to assemble, organize and have their voices heard by their elected officials is exactly what we expect to see when American values are at stake.”

Obama and his team are not ruling out a forceful challenge to Trump in the coming months, Politico, citing people in contact with the former president, reported.

There is debate on how to approach a Trump attack. There is fear that if Obama comes out too early against Trump it could lessen the effectiveness of the message. His team reportedly does not want Obama to be the face of the anti-Trump protests.

“I wouldn’t be opposed if he spoke out,” Rep. Ted Lieu, D-Calif., told Politico. “I just don’t know what effect it would be.”

He continued, “In hindsight, I believe it was wrong for Barack Obama to normalize Donald Trump,” he said.

Sources told the magazine that Obama is likely saving a more assertive challenge because “knows he only gets one change at it being the first time that he takes on Trump himself.”

Polls show Obama left the office both popular and trusted.He had appeared more cautious about diluting his influence by quickly second-guessing Trump. Doing so could make it easier for Trump to dismiss critiques as predictable partisan nitpicking. And becoming the face of Trump's opposition could make it harder for the next generation of Democratic leaders to emerge.

Obama said nothing Monday when Trump fired his former appointee Sally Yates, who was serving as acting attorney general. He also won't opine on Trump's announcement of a Supreme Court nominee, former White House aides in touch with Obama said.

When Trump's White House claimed Obama, too, temporarily banned Iraqi refugees, the ex-president's deputy national security adviser Ben Rhodes shot back: "This is a lie."


Film at 11.... 🤔
DrMaddVibe
9 years ago
Trump’s executive order stops all Iraqi citizens from temporarily entering the U.S. “on any visa category,” affecting those trying to visit family or come here for work, in addition to live. It also affects six other countries. It originally included permanent legal residents of the U.S. with green cards, but on Sunday, the Department of Homeland Security said green card holders would be allowed into the country.

While Obama did halt the refugee program, it did not impact green card holders, or anyone with a visa. It also did not affect refugees who had already gone through the vetting process. Trump’s travel ban barred entry to the United States to those groups, causing a chaotic situation for travelers from the seven affected countries and leading to protests at airports across the country.

“Obama’s policy did not prevent all citizens of that country, including green-card holders, from traveling the United States. Trump’s policy is much more sweeping, though officials have appeared to pull back from barring permanent U.S. residents,” the Washington Post reports.


Trump’s order gives preference to religious minority groups, such as Christians, when the admissions resume, according to The New York Times.

Obama didn’t give any preference to religious minority groups, and his action was limited to refugee resettlement (certainly, it didn’t affect green card holders, for example). However, Obama’s pause in Iraqi refugee admittance had consequences for some people and was driven by a terrorism case involving refugees, ABC News reported. The network reported that, as a result of the pause, an “Iraqi who had aided American troops was assassinated before his refugee application could be processed, because of the immigration delays.” (One of the first men detained under Trump’s executive order, Hameed Darweesh, was an Iraqi interpreter for the U.S. military. He has now been released under an exemption in the order.)

Trump raised the Obama situation in a January 29 statement defending his immigration executive order. He wrote, “My policy is similar to what President Obama did in 2011 when he banned visas for refugees from Iraq for six months. The seven countries named in the executive order are the same countries previously identified by the Obama administration as sources of terror.”

http://heavy.com/news/2017/01/barack-obama-ban-refugees-did-iraq-iraqi-muslim-trump-jimmy-carter-iran-iranian-immigration/ 
delta1
9 years ago
You have to admire Trump's audacity. He blind-sided everybody with the sudden implementation of this policy, much like a law enforcement operation. You don't want to let the perps know on Friday that you are coming on Sunday to arrest them. He has been saying from the beginning of his campaign for the presidency that we don't know who's coming in and haven't done a careful job of vetting Muslims. He was frightening people by suggesting that they could be coming in everyday and we weren't catching them. Thus, "Ban Muslims and Extreme Vetting."

If at least one detained person was of questionable background, with ties to terrorists and terrorist organizations, Trump would've basked in his greatest moment of his nascent Presidency. He's definitely taking risks.

The courts may decide whether of not he's right.
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