jjanecka
9 years ago

The Arian's are here already, just saying.

elRopo wrote:



And how dare they come into our country and try to debase the Trinitarian view of Christianity. I thought Constantine snuffed out that heresy nearly 1300 years ago...
frankj1
9 years ago

That's like saying if we can't stop everyone we shouldn't stop anyone. FWIW, I'd have no problem extending the ban to Saudi's as well.

Abrignac wrote:


why not every country?

why not get us all worked up about the terrorists born here, radicalized teens from Minnesota (hate to single them out) and White Supremacists?

I fear that the end result will not be greater safety at all. Though his hero Putin has safer streets than we do, we have always known freedom came with a risk.
frankj1
9 years ago

And how dare they come into our country and try to debase the Trinitarian view of Christianity. I thought Constantine snuffed out that heresy nearly 1300 years ago...

jjanecka wrote:


I've so missed this side of you bro!
jjanecka
9 years ago
If I overuse it it loses its potency. 😉
frankj1
9 years ago
Abrignac
9 years ago

why not every country?

why not get us all worked up about the terrorists born here, radicalized teens from Minnesota (hate to single them out) and White Supremacists?

I fear that the end result will not be greater safety at all. Though his hero Putin has safer streets than we do, we have always known freedom came with a risk.

frankj1 wrote:



So you're advocating for a policy of stop no one if we can't stop everyone?
99cobra2881
9 years ago



But it is well documented we have way more to fear from US born White Supremacists and yet no fear mongering campaign has been foisted on us.

frankj1 wrote:



Really? This must be cigarbid sarcasm, please tell me it is?
victor809
9 years ago
If we are going to stop select countries... why not be smart about it? Why do countries which have little historical impact on our safety.

You're both circling the same argument, but aren't achieving anything.

If you banned people from countries where actual visitors have caused damage on our soil the list would be different. Hell if he really cared about safety he'd make it a living list. Every time someone from your country performed a terrorist attack on us soil your country gets added to the list for 12mo.

The list has nothing to do with safety. So why make the argument that frank is just giving up on safety because he can't make it 100%. The current travel ban is an exercise in wasting money and goodwill without gaining any documented amount of safety. Not just a small percentage.
opelmanta1900
9 years ago
So you're upset that Obama previously identified those 7 countries as “countries that have a previously identified link to an increased risk of terrorist activity.”?
victor809
9 years ago
The visa waiver for those countries was removed by obama.
I don't know how that aligns them with other middle eastern countries. But one has to consider what that does before just assuming a random travel ban makes any difference.

Thought. Considered action. That's what is lacking.
TMCTLT
9 years ago

we agree about deciding who gets in.
We disagree about Trump saying the same thing.

But it is well documented we have way more to fear from US born White Supremacists and yet no fear mongering campaign has been foisted on us.

Is this about safety in his mind?

frankj1 wrote:






Really Frank?????? I'd say in a reality based World we have Much More to fear from any one of the violent BLM groups than ANY supposed White Supremacy group. They seem to be pretty quiet ( even under eight years of a Black race baiting POTUS
But then what do I know, ( may I see the documentation? )


jjanecka
9 years ago
Honestly if it were me, I'd prefer a complete blanket visa ban for all countries period. Let no one new in at all until we can process the current batch of immigrants under Teddy Roosevelt style Americanism so that the want of being an American sticks. We can't have these Europeans in the education system wanting to subvert America into a European style aristocracy nor do we want cartels from south America coming in and sapping money away from American citizens, nor do we want Chinese style Communism, nor do we want Muslims forcing their views on us and radicalizing when we do not accept their point of view.

Blanket ban on all foreigners until we've properly taught everyone to embrace their new home so that they move away from Centralist and Communistic values.
DrMaddVibe
9 years ago

Honestly if it were me, I'd prefer a complete blanket visa ban for all countries period. Let no one new in at all until we can process the current batch of immigrants under Teddy Roosevelt style Americanism so that the want of being an American sticks. We can't have these Europeans in the education system wanting to subvert America into a European style aristocracy nor do we want cartels from south America coming in and sapping money away from American citizens, nor do we want Chinese style Communism, nor do we want Muslims forcing their views on us and radicalizing when we do not accept their point of view.

Blanket ban on all foreigners until we've properly taught everyone to embrace their new home so that they move away from Centralist and Communistic values.

jjanecka wrote:




Post of the week
gummy jones
9 years ago

why not every country?

why not get us all worked up about the terrorists born here, radicalized teens from Minnesota (hate to single them out) and White Supremacists?

frankj1 wrote:



concerning the numbers, you should be much more worried about black males aged 18-35

but lets assume that the threat from the billions of white supremacists in the world is as palpable as you suggest
lets assume that the white supremacy training ground are in full recruitment
why again is that reason to allow more dangerous people from any other group into our great land?

i really dont understand the mindset that because one thing is bad we should accept another bad thing.
frankj1
9 years ago

concerning the numbers, you should be much more worried about black males aged 18-35

but lets assume that the threat from the billions of white supremacists in the world is as palpable as you suggest
lets assume that the white supremacy training ground are in full recruitment
why again is that reason to allow more dangerous people from any other group into our great land?

i really dont understand the mindset that because one thing is bad we should accept another bad thing.

gummy jones wrote:


i am not advocating a trade off of one "bad group" for another...
tonygraz
9 years ago

Really Frank?????? I'd say in a reality based World we have Much More to fear from any one of the violent BLM groups than ANY supposed White Supremacy group. They seem to be pretty quiet ( even under eight years of a Black race baiting POTUS
But then what do I know, ( may I see the documentation? )


TMCTLT wrote:



Of course you would- no point in showing you any documentation you can't/won't understand.
DrMaddVibe
9 years ago

Of course you would- no point in showing you any documentation you can't/won't understand.

tonygraz wrote:




"At this point what difference would it make?"
jjanecka
9 years ago
TMCTLT, Obama had Homeland Security bust up almost every known white supremacy group during his administration. That was probably a good thing too it needed to happen and I'm pretty sure other domestic terror groups went down in the process since most of those organizations make deals with other organizations that aren't white.
DrafterX
9 years ago
by sending the IRS after them..?? 😕
DrMaddVibe
9 years ago

by sending the IRS after them..?? 😕

DrafterX wrote:



Naw...SUPER ERIC HOLDER!!!!
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