MACS
9 years ago

I dislike the concept of a hate crime. It seems like double jeopardy to me. If a crime is committed, peruse legal action against that crime. Please, do not tell me if someone from a protected group is murdered their life is worth more than the life of someone murdered from a non protected group. To me this is what hate crime laws tell me. This is inherently wrong.

Speyside wrote:



Agreed.
frankj1
9 years ago

Agreed.

MACS wrote:


not a position comment, just a question...but there are special penalties for cop killers, no?
MACS
9 years ago

not a position comment, just a question...but there are special penalties for cop killers, no?

frankj1 wrote:



Not sure, but if there are I disagree with them, too. A crime is a crime.

Premeditated murder should be met with death. One appeal, within a month. If it fails, you die the next day.

The death penalty would be a major deterrent if we used it.
Brewha
9 years ago

Never heard of 'em. I voted for the tweeter in chief simply because I thought he was the lesser of two evils. I haven't changed my mind... and I am hopeful that the distaste people seem to have for him make them take notice of the horrendous job the house and senate politicians are doing and vote all of them out.

I am unapologetically conservative, and don't believe there is ONE politician in office working for US. We need to take back our country, and maybe captain social media can steer us in that direction.

If, again, you were attempting to label me a nazi simply because our ideologies are different... I'm sorry to disappoint. My family is white, black, asian, and hispanic... and I love 'em all. Got a couple gays and lesbos, and I love them, too.

And I still firmly believe in personal responsibility, family values, and absolutely zero government 'programs' outside of national defense and infrastructure. I would be in favor of extending public schooling to all colleges, too, if they'd pass a school voucher program. I'd like for parents to be able to choose which school their child attends based on merit, not location.

MACS wrote:


Just picking on you MAC - you know, sometimes your post read with a German accent.

fwiw I think you should consider your vote a mistake. I mean we all choose one devil or another.
I think you have chosen poorly.


Just sayin'
tailgater
9 years ago
Hate crimes: I agree that a crime is a crime.

Death penalty: proven it isn't a deterrent. Which seems strange.
DrafterX
9 years ago
It's called Capital Punishment I believe.. 😟
MACS
9 years ago

Hate crimes: I agree that a crime is a crime.

Death penalty: proven it isn't a deterrent. Which seems strange.

tailgater wrote:



We don't use it.

After 20 years, and 27 appeals, we do (5 appeals in Texas). If you're convicted, you should get ONE appeal... capital punishment cases should be heard by the supreme court within a month. If they say you're guilty... you die the next day.

IT WOULD BE A DETERRENT.

Rule #1 in Criminal Justice Administration: for a punishment to be a deterrent it must be swift, certain, and severe. Our penalties are none of these.
teedubbya
9 years ago
I dunno. There are a lot of legitimate studies saying it isn't a deterrent.

And there are quite a few cases that have proven via DNA to be bogus convictions many years after your scenario would have the state murder an innocent person.

I'm firmly in the I'd rather see many guilty live than one innocent get murdered by the state.

I keep hearing about the Central Park 5 and trump but haven't had the time to really look at it and don't trust throw away press stories. Anyone really look at that?
MACS
9 years ago
Simply because we don't use it effectually.
DrafterX
9 years ago


I keep hearing about the Central Park 5 and trump but haven't had the time to really look at it and don't trust throw away press stories. Anyone really look at that?

teedubbya wrote:




I think that was a rendition of Shakespeare in da Park... 😟
teedubbya
9 years ago

Simply because we don't use it effectually.

MACS wrote:




I wasn't just thinking in the US
teedubbya
9 years ago

I think that was a rendition of Shakespeare in da Park... 😟

DrafterX wrote:




I figured it was a failed boy band.

Seriously is there a good source to learn about it other than the knee jerk press or wiki etc.?
DrafterX
9 years ago
I'd try the Internets..... 😟
delta1
9 years ago
Central Park Five/Jogger case in a nutshell:

In 1989, a white female jogger was raped and sodomized while jogging in Central Park, NY. She was in a coma for 12 days afterwards. Five juvenile males, 4 black and one hispanic, were arrested and convicted, mostly due to coerced confessions. In 2002, a convicted rapist confessed to the crime. DNA evidence proved he was the rapist of the jogger and proved the five convicted juveniles were innocent. They spent between 5 to 13 years in prison for crimes they did not commit.

During the trial in 1989, Trump took out full page ads in support of the death penalty, pointing to the Jogger case and the five perps. When he was told many years later that they were in fact innocent, he insisted they were guilty. He said so while campaigning for President.


http://time.com/4523257/donald-trump-central-park-five/ 
teedubbya
9 years ago
So does he still want them executed? So they won't not do it again and stuff?
teedubbya
9 years ago
anyone seen the documentary by Ken Burns?
DrafterX
9 years ago
Watched a recent interview with a couple of the Dudes.. the said as long as the Jefferson and Washington memorials are the black man won't succeed... The memorials are oppressing them... 😟
frankj1
9 years ago

So does he still want them executed? So they won't not do it again and stuff?

teedubbya wrote:


they'd be dead in Texas.
Speyside
9 years ago
Frank, I think you are right that cop murderers have different rules. That should not be the case either.
DrafterX
9 years ago
Pretty sure you get in deep chit for hurting or killing a police k-9 too... 😟
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