Aripio pardon, right or wrong?

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Speyside
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9 years ago

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DrMaddVibe
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9 years ago

Didn't he already get his pardon? Oscar Lopez Rivera got his too.

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Speyside
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9 years ago

Yes, he did. My question is do you think it is right or wrong he was pardoned.

Gene363
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9 years ago

It was correct, if for no other reason than to say FO to the DOJ, they can turn just about anyone into a felon.

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DrMaddVibe
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9 years ago

Yes, he did. My question is do you think it is right or wrong he was pardoned.

Speyside wrote:

I really don't have a problem with Sheriff Joe. Most hate on him because he grandstanded on the backs of criminals. He was tough, then again...most NEVER wanted to go back to jail.

Meh. Not like he was a terrorist, a financier to the 1%. They accused him of profiling. When you're up against the Mexican border and you're arresting a lot of Mexicans for crossing I really don't believe that's profiling. Its called doing your job.

RMAN4443
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9 years ago

DrMaddVibe wrote:

=d> =d> =d> In Massachusetts they tell me it's not Illegal to be Illegal#-o 🤦 🤦

delta1
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9 years ago

Not going to begrudge Trump exercising his pardon power, since I was meh about previous presidents and their choices for pardons...

I expect Trump to use his pardon powers a lot DURING his term, not at the END of his term, as was the previous norm. He'll pardon all those in his campaign who may be convicted of something...he's prolly already sent that signal to Mueller and the Congressional Intelligence cmtes.... that they are wasting their time looking for wrong-doers in his campaign...

it'll be up to we, the people, to judge if we're OK with that...

MACS
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9 years ago

Two points:

1. Was it really a big deal? From what I understand he was convicted of misdemeanor contempt of court for ignoring a judges order concerning illegals. Not a big deal to me, so pardon or not... meh. It isn't like he was a criminal.

2. What he did with the criminals is what we should do. What they do in California makes the jail/prison system a revolving door. Jail is like rehab for criminals. They come in, get good health care, nutritious meals, programs, plenty of rec and sleep time... and get back out into the community and do it again because they've learned that the consequences for their crimes ain't so bad.

Jail/prison should be very unpleasant, and they should be made to work to pay for their own incarceration.

Brewha
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9 years ago

Aripio has been abusing his authority and people for years.

But Trump does not repect the law and is known to hate Mexicans, so this was the perfect move for him to show his azz. He is an embarisment.

DrafterX
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9 years ago

#10

😂

teedubbya
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9 years ago

#11

I have a pair of pink undies signed by sheriff joe. Met him in the late 80s or early 90s.

I have a bias against those in authority abusing their authority even if I might agree with them in principle. I try not to pick and choose.

For someone to be so "law and order" unless and until he disagrees with it is bs. Sheriff joe grew into a legend in his own mind and more a problem than a solution.

Trump can pardon whomever he likes legally. That doesn't insulate him from criticism or political backlash though. I think he deserves it on this one but he doesn't care. To do so now, before sentencing and in today's environment tells you a bit about trumps base.

It's probably less than 6 months for an 85 year old man. Meh. But Joe never had any sympathy for a persons age or length of sentence (let alone severity of crime). The rules seem to apply to people selectively but that's no great surprise is it?

I'm still for Presidents being able to pardon whoever they want other than themselves. If there's a political will go for it.

DrafterX
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9 years ago

#12

I heard ole Joe never met a camera he didn't like..... And I did expect him to be sentenced before the pardon.... May this was so he wouldn't have to be put into the system and stuff... I heard they make you get naked and spray you with raid or somethin.... 😟

rfenst
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9 years ago

#13

Too soon. Trump should have let the process unfold and waited until the end of court proceedings.

bgz
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9 years ago

#14

Sheriff Joe was sheriff out here for 20 years. He had tent city for drunk drivers (and other sh1theads)... and he rounded up illegals.

I had no problem with that.

He did have his downsides, but that's going to be the case no matter who you have in there.

For those in border states, tell me it's not easy to see who the illegals are. The little mustaches and the pointy boots dressed like ranchers and sh1t. Getting all dressed up to go to Walmart, come on, ez pz.

MACS
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9 years ago

#15

Brewha wrote:

Barfing up talking points. Any example of how Joe abused his authority? I mean, aside from enforcing federal law when a local judge deemed it inconvenient?

Any example of how Trump doesn't respect the law, and hates Mexicans? I mean, other than attempting to enforce our border laws?

You, sir, are the embarrassment. (I spelled it right, you didn't)

MACS
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9 years ago

#16

Too soon. Trump should have let the process unfold and waited until the end of court proceedings.

rfenst wrote:

I tend to agree. Maybe a local jury would have acquitted him for doing what THEY wanted, anyway.

rfenst
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9 years ago

#17

I tend to agree. Maybe a local jury would have acquitted him for doing what THEY wanted, anyway.

MACS wrote:

Yup.

Brewha
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9 years ago

#18

MACS wrote:

Wow - have you seen our "President" in action? Read the news?
I could show you what you have seen - but you seem to think that's all ok.

I bet you still think Mexico is going to pay for the wall, do you not? Or is the POTUS a liar?

Liar - use the word.

And yes, I do embarrass those who would cover the truth.

Please Chek the spelling.
Thx

MACS
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9 years ago

#19

I have seen him in action. I don't care who pays for the wall. We need to do something about the problem and he's willing to do something.

I have seen politicians lie in the past. His are not new, albeit not under oath... (bazinga!).

You danced around my question, though. Please... show me examples of Trump hating Mexicans, or not respecting our laws.

I want the wall built. I want everyone here illegally thrown out. I want our border as secure as possible. I want every person legally immigrating fully vetted (as my wife was).

Do I hate Mexicans, too? Because I think my Mexican friends would disagree. Even the liberal ones (right, xibbumbero).

DrafterX
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9 years ago

#20

For those who were listening it was explained the wall would be paid for Mexico because of less illegal immigration and renegotiated trade deals... Less illegals means less money out of our pockets for the welfare, medical and deportation costs... I understand if that's a little hard to grasp... 😟

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