Abrignac
8 years ago

I know that you know that I know that you know that I haven't stopped grinning since I first read this in the local paper today.

I even went to CATO site to make sure.

Near the end, he does point out that Obama would have had difficulty legally defending DACA, but after considering the truth about "economic reasons, security reasons, but above all moral reasons, the correct response would have been to push for Congress to enact the program not announce it's demise and let the chips fall where they may".

That should frame the debate.

frankj1 wrote:



Oh I'm sure you had a big smile. BTW, my battery died....
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8 years ago

Oh I'm sure you had a big smile. BTW, my battery died....

Abrignac wrote:


my battery died...too easy. I'll let that soft ball slide right by.

I thought you needed to put another quarter in the meter of your Obama phone.

Once again Anth, nice talking to ya...going out with a bowl and a bourbon, maybe a beer. Back in a while.
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8 years ago

Rewarding bad behavior sets a bad precedent. Children or not, at fault or not, we have immigration laws that need to be enforced and followed.

MANY people immigrate here legally. It takes time, money, and effort. Rewarding people here illegally with a path to citizenship is a slap in the face to those who follow our laws and do it right.

MACS wrote:


perfectly legit. But then you've never been one to formulate opinions based on emotional inflammatory claims.

I guess I was pleased and surprised to find the debunking of myths supported by the POTUS to be from that side of the aisle.

Refreshing.
Speyside
8 years ago
Don't Obama phones use Kenyan shillings?
MACS
8 years ago

Don't Obama phones use Kenyan shillings?

Speyside wrote:



That's what Drafter heard.
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8 years ago
yet another emotional inflammatory claim...but funny
jjanecka
8 years ago
I'd rather see all these azzhats from California leave Texas. They're the reall immigration crisis.
TMCTLT
8 years ago


Frank, much of what is put down in your OP is speculative @ best. After all...how do you compile HONEST numbers on 800,000 individuals who arrived here ILLEGALLY? I'm sorry but I'm not buying any of it as FACT as your trying to claim AND moreover IF the parents of these brats didn't care enough to introduce their children to OUR country in a legal fashion....I couldn't care less about their fate.
I'm SICK and TIRED of all the bleeding hearts endless " Think about the children " claims....THEIR OWN PARENTS PUT THEM IN THE CROSS HAIRS BY BREAKING OUR COUNTRIES LAWS. WE OWE THEM NOTHING
I'd like to see if peoples attitudes towards this unfettered ILLEGAL migration would change if the industry in which they're employed were being affected by them.
The ONLY children I have any concern for are those who were born and raised here or those who followed our countries laws to become a legal US Citizen.
They want a DREAM....start their own movement in Mehico....#MMGA
TMCTLT
8 years ago

yet another emotional inflammatory claim...but funny

frankj1 wrote:




That's funny....because that is EXACTLY how I look @ DACA, an inflammatory claim that these illegal kids deserve ANYTHING here short of a return trip.
DrafterX
8 years ago
So, you're saying Frank changed your mind..?? 😕
Mr. Jones
8 years ago
Frankj1

You new name is...

Frankie LONG CUT AND PASTE-TEEEEEE tripod
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8 years ago

Frank, much of what is put down in your OP is speculative @ best. After all...how do you compile HONEST numbers on 800,000 individuals who arrived here ILLEGALLY? I'm sorry but I'm not buying any of it as FACT as your trying to claim AND moreover IF the parents of these brats didn't care enough to introduce their children to OUR country in a legal fashion....I couldn't care less about their fate.
I'm SICK and TIRED of all the bleeding hearts endless " Think about the children " claims....THEIR OWN PARENTS PUT THEM IN THE CROSS HAIRS BY BREAKING OUR COUNTRIES LAWS. WE OWE THEM NOTHING
I'd like to see if peoples attitudes towards this unfettered ILLEGAL migration would change if the industry in which they're employed were being affected by them.
The ONLY children I have any concern for are those who were born and raised here or those who followed our countries laws to become a legal US Citizen.
They want a DREAM....start their own movement in Mehico....#MMGA

TMCTLT wrote:


again, not expecting to change minds. But this bleeding heart piece is from a very conservative Libertarian. Surveys show that a strong majority of Americans from all parties and religions support having Congress make this work to keep the winners, pretty much as bipartisan agreement as America has on anything right now.

I believe that the roughly 800,000 in the program signed up and had to qualify for "protection" or be removed from that status...things like earned diplomas, military service, gainful employment, no criminal history etc. And legal or not, on average as a group they have outperformed American born kids, and we profit from them, they are not the drain on taxpayers many incorrectly claim,...none of which is reason to allow them to stay, I know that.

But these are not the migrant farm workers, nor the desperate willing to take low wage jobs, nor those looking for welfare...everything you and many good people hate. These are the types you'd normally encourage to join us in improving our society...just that they were the children of parents who came illegally rather than adults coming on their own.

Obama began this correctly, but definitely overreached when Congress ignored his calls to create a plan. I don't say this often, but Trump may be making the same correct demand of Congress now, and I endorse him on this.

Other than that, how do you round up 800,000 people who signed up in hopes of passing the test, never mind the 10 million we cannot trace at all, and deport them? It is fantasy to think it could ever happen.

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8 years ago

So, you're saying Frank changed your mind..?? 😕

DrafterX wrote:


I swear I'm not trying to do that...wise guy!

How's the hind leg today?
DrafterX
8 years ago
🤣


Lost my cane a couple days ago.. getting around pretty good.. back to work tomorrow.. that will be the test... Bummer is I'm being relocated to a different building and I've got to pack up my stuff and move... Same job just some reorganization to make me more accessible to the machine shop...😟
Ewok126
8 years ago

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Lost my cane a couple days ago.. getting around pretty good.. back to work tomorrow.. that will be the test... Bummer is I'm being relocated to a different building and I've got to pack up my stuff and move... Same job just some reorganization to make me more accessible to the machine shop...😟

DrafterX wrote:




Dont over do it slick, Just because I am curious I would think there is still some residual pain from the surgery but over all is it better than it was presurgery?
DrafterX
8 years ago
Pain is getting better every day but exercises hurt like hell... Being on my feet too long hurts.. but I'm dealing with it ok.. going back to work is prolly the best thin I can do right now... And I start a 4 week regiment of physical therapy tomorrow... 😟
Ewok126
8 years ago

Pain is getting better every day but exercises hurt like hell... Being on my feet too long hurts.. but I'm dealing with it ok.. going back to work is prolly the best thin I can do right now... And I start a 4 week regiment of physical therapy tomorrow... 😟

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Yeah I would imagine the exercise will be a bit of a pain in the arse for a while. It will take a while to where you build back up to where being on your feet will not hurt. I would think going back to work is a good thing as well just dont over do man. It will take time to get her back up there, next thing you know you will be running marathons lmaooo.
DrafterX
8 years ago
Maybe... I've lost about 10lbs since the surgery.. so I gots that going for me... 😟
delta1
8 years ago

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Lost my cane a couple days ago.. getting around pretty good.. back to work tomorrow.. that will be the test... Bummer is I'm being relocated to a different building and I've got to pack up my stuff and move... Same job just some reorganization to make me more accessible to the machine shop...😟

DrafterX wrote:



That's a lot of trouble...they ought to just drill a glory-hole in your office wall to give the machinists access to you...


Pain is getting better every day but exercises hurt like hell... Being on my feet too long hurts.. but I'm dealing with it ok.. going back to work is prolly the best thin I can do right now... And I start a 4 week regiment of physical therapy tomorrow... 😟

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You're gonna like the physical therapy, especially when a therapist has you sitting up on a high bench so your lower legs can dangle over the side...hopefully its a hottie cuz when she grabs your leg with the new knee and pushes it back for maximum flex...............wowweeeeeeeeeeeeee......


too bad you have a sausage and not a tripod, or you can dangle the tripod over the side of the bench and hope to have that manipulated
DrafterX
8 years ago
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I had a therapist coming to the house but now I have to go to them... Their visits should be immediately followed by a pain therapist... 😟
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