tailgater
8 years ago

.... huh?

Do you have a different meaning for the word "evidence" than the rest of the world?

victor809 wrote:



Evidence derived from faulty means is worthless.
Evidence needs to be qualified or quantified. Or at least it should be.
It's a ridiculous term to ban, and it's ridiculous to be particularly outraged if it is banned.
Because it's meaningless.

Of course, if you have an agenda then of course you're outraged.
As the evidence would suggest...




HuckFinn
8 years ago
The agency's position allegedly is that the phrases "evidence-based” and “science-based” were used so frequently in the past that they'd become essentially meaningless. Also this ban, ridiculous as it is, applies only to budget documents. Scientists are still getting the jaws off the ground.
If it were just a matter of semantics it wouldn't matter. But it isn't. The new agenda includes emphasizing abstinence from sex for teens. Really? And eliminating the word "fetus"from documents. Who's really behind this stuff? The 80% of all Evangelists that elected Donald? Can't use the word "transgender". The people with the highest rate of Aids.

And to think, this is the guy who brought us groundbreaking political incorrectness.

Imagine not being able to say directly "evidence based " or "science-based " in a courtroom.


tailgater
8 years ago

Tail trust me in this one. There are always embargoed words. In this case you can keep saying it isn’t true. I disagree.

teedubbya wrote:



I was using your MO to argue the point.
Ban vs. embargo etc.
I'm not really disagreeing with you. Stop being victor.
dstieger
8 years ago
so....words matter? and feds spin stuff?

I'm having trouble mustering outrage


delta1
8 years ago
outrage at Trump? what for...

He's trying to dictate how his administration communicates his message, and tailor it to his followers. Nothing new, as dstieger points out.


But here's where Trump is opening himself up for outrage. He and his administration are dictating politically correct and dumbed down terminology for a specific target, a small section of the American public: his people.The greater proportion of Americans can sift through the verbiage and recognize the con. His lack of subtlety, style and persistent and blatant disregard for the truth and for ideals of free press and speech and especially his continued contempt for, and attacks on all the media except Trump/Fox News, is troubling to most Americans.

Trump's strategy is obvious. Sow enough discord and doubt about the media, causing the public to distrust it, that when FACTS are made public that cast him and his administration in negative, fraudulent, criminal and possibly treasonous light, his predictable response that it's "FAKE NEWS" will ring true with his followers.

That is borne out by how his media source continually discredits, diminishes and denigrates the investigations of Trump/Russia connections. There have been two guilty pleas and two other criminal indictments of persons close to the Trump campaign. These are factual evidence that there is a THERE there. Numerous emails between Trump's team and sources connected to Russia and it's stated plan to influence the election exist and have been made public. Trump and his folks have continually lied about all of this until their lies have been exposed, and then the stories change. So it was obvious from day one why Trump attacked the media, especially about Russia: BLAME the messenger, so that when the crap hits the fan, they may not be believable.

Classic strategy to control the message by a master media con artist.
teedubbya
8 years ago

I was using your MO to argue the point.
Ban vs. embargo etc.
I'm not really disagreeing with you. Stop being victor.

tailgater wrote:




I see. I was being too superficial.

Yes there are words that are not allowed/banned to be used given any particular political environment. I can neither confirm nor deny the published list. Who would? That's dumb lol.

I saw Sebelius using one of the preferred words (help) the other night over the banned word at the time (subsidy). Ah good times. Make no mistake that word was banned. It's use publicly wither written or in presentations carried consequences.

victor809
8 years ago

Evidence derived from faulty means is worthless.
Evidence needs to be qualified or quantified. Or at least it should be.
It's a ridiculous term to ban, and it's ridiculous to be particularly outraged if it is banned.
Because it's meaningless.

Of course, if you have an agenda then of course you're outraged.
As the evidence would suggest...

tailgater wrote:



I give other people a little more slack than you tail. You should know better. Maybe you don't. Maybe in this day of "alternative facts" you've gone all in.

Your problem is clear in your first sentence. "Evidence derived from faulty means is worthless."
Evidence derived from faulty means isn't evidence tail. The instance you can prove that the underlying data of any evidence is wrong, it isn't "evidence" any longer. The same way two photos of two separate inauguration crowds changes a claim about crowd size into a lie, not into an "alternative fact".

Remember, this is the CDC we are talking about. They publish scientific papers. When they use the term "evidence-based" it is with very specific intent. They aren't using it in some vague way that a lawyer might.
delta1
8 years ago
classic case of Trump Derangement Syndrome...
HuckFinn
8 years ago
Years ago i remember the great mythologist, Joseph Cambell tell Bill Moyers in an interview on PBS that town hall buildings eventually replaced churches as the tallest buildings in small towns. His point being that politics overtook religion.
I think we're living at a time when the truth doesn't really matter anymore. But simple faith, core to religion, that remnant of religion, faith, remains. "I don't know why I think this or that, I just know it's true" thinking.
o we choose sides.
And once you've decided on your 'church', facts are pretty irrelevant. The truth is as often as not, annoying. But you keep the faith, it doesn't matter.
It's us against them. Just look at them! Morons.
For instance, If a connection is ever made between Trump and the Russians, Trump supporters are likely to malign the source, not care, or tar and feather Hillary.
If it had been proven that Obama was not born in the US I would probably have said 'so what' or 'change the law'.
I guess my point is nowadays everybody already knows what they think and believe a priori.

And this sort of reasoning is why In-laws throw food at me on Thanksgivings.

jjanecka
8 years ago
The biggest problem, whether it be politics, religion, business, et cetera is that we're all basing on our opinions in certain degrees, a lot of people are stuck in the mentality of highschool level, college level, training/certificate level and they're really not learning dynamically overtime and using critical thinking skills. You've got to press yourself to learn and make new daily otherwise you'll always be stuck in the same foolish mentality. It's easy to devolve quickly no matter what background you come from but a good base helps secure how far down the chute you actually go.
DrafterX
8 years ago
Victor ties a 2x4 to his ass so he doesn't fall into TW's chute... Or so I heard... 😟
teedubbya
8 years ago

Victor ties a 2x4 to his ass so he doesn't fall into TW's chute... Or so I heard... 😟

DrafterX wrote:




You are the spelunker lemmiwinksX
victor809
8 years ago

Victor ties a board measured to be 2" x 4", based on science and in consideration with community standards and wishes, to the appendage identified as his ass, based on science in consideration with community standards and wishes, so he doesn't fall into TW's organ defined as his chute, based on science in consideration with community standards and wishes... Or so I heard, in consideration with community standards and wishes ... 😟

DrafterX wrote:




Fixed it for you drafter.

(FYI, I hear, your azz is so wide (based on science in consideration with community standards and wishes) you're the only one who doesn't need a 2x4 (based on science in consideration with community standards and wishes) to keep from falling in.)
DrafterX
8 years ago
freak... 😟
tailgater
8 years ago

I give other people a little more slack than you tail. You should know better. Maybe you don't. Maybe in this day of "alternative facts" you've gone all in.

Your problem is clear in your first sentence. "Evidence derived from faulty means is worthless."
Evidence derived from faulty means isn't evidence tail. The instance you can prove that the underlying data of any evidence is wrong, it isn't "evidence" any longer. The same way two photos of two separate inauguration crowds changes a claim about crowd size into a lie, not into an "alternative fact".

Remember, this is the CDC we are talking about. They publish scientific papers. When they use the term "evidence-based" it is with very specific intent. They aren't using it in some vague way that a lawyer might.

victor809 wrote:



I said faulty means, but that's not the entirety of "evidence" that could be considered useless at some point.

Evidence could simply be incomplete. Or from too small a sampling. Or could simply be irrelevant or misleading.
In any event, it's not the "evidence" itself that is in question. It's the use of the term "evidence based".
It's redundant. I mean, what if you don't insert those words? Does that mean there's no evidence? That it's just a wild guess?

Either way, none of this matters.
Because it's fake news.


tailgater
8 years ago



... a suggestion that we not use terms "science based" or "evidence based" because it will trigger the republican congressmen.

F%cking idiots.

victor809 wrote:




https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2017/12/19/fake-news-no-trump-admin-conservatives-at-the-cdc-didnt-try-to-ban-words-like-fetus-and-transgender-n2424580 


Skip down to the part where it tells who compiled the list.

It wasn't republican congressmen. Which you discerned from the "evidence" you've read. It was "career CDC officials" (ie. NON political).
Because they, like you, make an assumption that republicans would balk at those terms.



You're mad at republicans because of how others felt they might react.

Read that again.
Because that's the "evidence" you're using to justify your outrage.

Trump Derangement Syndrome has you so puckered up right now. It's adorable.










victor809
8 years ago

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2017/12/19/fake-news-no-trump-admin-conservatives-at-the-cdc-didnt-try-to-ban-words-like-fetus-and-transgender-n2424580


Skip down to the part where it tells who compiled the list.

It wasn't republican congressmen. Which you discerned from the "evidence" you've read. It was "career CDC officials" (ie. NON political).
Because they, like you, make an assumption that republicans would balk at those terms.



You're mad at republicans because of how others felt they might react.

Read that again.
Because that's the "evidence" you're using to justify your outrage.

Trump Derangement Syndrome has you so puckered up right now. It's adorable.

tailgater wrote:


You may be right on this tail (not the ridiculous trump derangement crap, because you're still an idiot for trying to claim evidence is anything other than evidence) but I did some more digging, and everything I was able to find indicates that this was more of an internal "we need to sell this to idiots, what words should we avoid" issue than an external "idiots telling people what not to say" thing.

Until further evidence is presented I think this is likely a nothing burger. (your attempt to defend evidence as potentially a word to avoid because it "could simply be incomplete. Or from too small a sampling. Or could simply be irrelevant or misleading." is idiotic however, as all you have done is describe something which is not evidence. At best you have described something a person would classify as "evidence is incomplete, but suggests"... )
tailgater
8 years ago

You may be right on this tail (not the ridiculous trump derangement crap, because you're still an idiot for trying to claim evidence is anything other than evidence) but I did some more digging, and everything I was able to find indicates that this was more of an internal "we need to sell this to idiots, what words should we avoid" issue than an external "idiots telling people what not to say" thing.

Until further evidence is presented I think this is likely a nothing burger. (your attempt to defend evidence as potentially a word to avoid because it "could simply be incomplete. Or from too small a sampling. Or could simply be irrelevant or misleading." is idiotic however, as all you have done is describe something which is not evidence. At best you have described something a person would classify as "evidence is incomplete, but suggests"... )

victor809 wrote:



I never attempted to defend banning "evidence". It's part of our discussion because you chose to highlight it and I thought it was the least offensive thing on the list.
I think ALL of this is pure BS. Banning words and phrases? Really?
It's as dumb as it gets, even if it's just "suggested".

But the best part is how you'll fail to see the irony.
Because you used the provided evidence to conclude the GOP banned these words. But the evidence was misleading because it was incomplete.
Because evidence is meaningless without additional details.

But I'm the idiot.
LOL!








TMCTLT
8 years ago


Hey...if some groups can " make them up as they go " why shouldn't another group be allowed to embargo a few along the way as well.
frankj1
8 years ago
embargo spelled backwards is O-Grab Me
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