teedubbya
8 years ago
jjanecka
8 years ago
I'm all for it. The tax plan, not Drafters homo shenanigans...
DrafterX
8 years ago
ZRX1200
8 years ago
Drafter isn't gay, our balls never touched.
JadeRose
8 years ago

Drafter isn't gay, our balls never touched.

ZRX1200 wrote:





not even his chin?
victor809
8 years ago

I'm not sure how I feel about the impact on the deficit. I was a deficit hawk for a long time, but it's apparent that these jokers in this town are clever enough to kick this down the road far enough that my kids are probably safe from it..and probably grandkids, too. The ceiling may not cave in before global warming induced floods or Fatty Fat induced nuclear holocaust. National debt isn't keeping me up at night lately.

I'm more concerned that:

-this is being sold as something revolutionary and Reagan-esque - when in reality is is a couple cigars a month and maybe an extra trip to Cracker Barrel...it's ok for what it is, but stop the spin and just call it the Corporate Tax Cut

-that they didn't touch the hedge/real estate investment loophole

-that they never even tried to bring a single Dem into talks....granted, this might not have been possible in today's climate, but had they taken a little more time and actually tried to get something just a little bipartisan, they'd have gotten more political capital, even if at the expense of some of the blind-faith-base

-that while there's some cuts and changes, there wasn't ever any real stomach for anything resembling 'overhaul'. Start from scratch without any deductions and work from there. Loopholes all derive from deductions and credits - start with a blank page and create new, clean definitions for deductions that you want to carve out

-that they won't quit putting unrelated **** into tax and spend bills.....wtf does Alaska oil have to do with federal income taxes???

-that by the end of last week nearly every R could say with a straight face "don't worry about that deficit part; growth is going wipe that out"...like they actually fn believed it after saying it enough times...we are not ever going to have 7% growth and every fn one of them knows it

dstieger wrote:



This seems about right.

They reduced some taxes (raised tham in my case). Yay. It wasn't some enormous ground breaking tax overhaul that turned our april 15 into a 1 page endeavor.

I'm not even mad about paying more taxes. A couple grand here or there is the cost of being alive. That won't even cover a month of rent.

But they're pretending they gave all americans the greatest gift since bacon. They gave the corporations bacon. They gave us the opportunity to lick the pan afterwards (but only until that sunsets.. then we can only look at the pan).
Phil222
8 years ago
I haven't looked into this tax bill very deeply but my $1,000 savings minus a 10% increase in my insurance premiums from the ACA mandate repeal = maybe a few hundred bucks??

How much are the oligarchs getting again? A trillion plus to the deficit on top of that....🌫

Is the tax relief for us not temporary and permanent for the ultra-rich?

Sounds like we got table scraps.
frankj1
8 years ago
good time to see Trump's recent tax returns and the projected tax returns...and the savings that a miniscule number of Americans will realize from the inheritance changes that will serve his heirs quite well.
That was a big win for America! HA!
Mr. Jones
8 years ago
Warren Buffet GETS A 17% TAX CUT IN THIS PLAN....
SOMETHING LIKE $600K back in his pocket on a $19 million a year income...

He was on NPR with Judy Woodruff....

Laughing his azz off at this tax reduction bill "for the top 1%"
...he always does his interviews in one of his furniture store chains that he owns all over the Midwest...

He is a SMAAAART GUY...

YOU NEVER SEE ANY OF HIS SECURITY DETAIL...
HE NEVER LETS THEM GET RECORDED ON ANY INTERVIEW
OR VIDEO STORY...
IT IS ALWAYS AN UNKNOWN ENTITY...
YOU DONT KNOW WHO THEY ARE...
LIKE I SAID...

HE
IS
ONE
SMART
P.H.U.Q.
ZRX1200
8 years ago
Phillis, you got that 2.5k $ saving from Bummies ACA though right?

LMMFAOAY
Phil222
8 years ago

Phillis, you got that 2.5k $ saving from Bummies ACA though right?

ZRX1200 wrote:



I'm not sure what you're talking about. What 2.5k?

Edit: Maybe I'm confused here. I'm under the impression that insurance rates will rise across the board from the mandate repeal. Is this not correct? Or will the increase only be for those who use the government exchanges like Obamacare?
Phil222
8 years ago

good time to see Trump's recent tax returns

frankj1 wrote:



I think the auditors are still reviewing them...any day now.
frankj1
8 years ago
how about the pass throughs?
yuuuuge benefit for average earners.
Mr. Jones
8 years ago
^^^ #33 "How about Judy Woodruffs champagners....
Hangin' decent in her 70's with Warren takin' peaks from a higher vantaged piece of furniture on the floor of his Midwest furniture Store....
towards the end of the interview Warren leaned over and twisted Judy's nip and requested DUALAGE with her and Leslie Stahl on the freight elevator..."
cacman
8 years ago

I'm not sure what you're talking about. What 2.5k?

Edit: Maybe I'm confused here. I'm under the impression that insurance rates will rise across the board from the mandate repeal. Is this not correct? Or will the increase only be for those who use the government exchanges like Obamacare?

Phil222 wrote:


The 2.5k Z is talking about is the promise Obama made everyone would save on their insurance. It was around the same time the Big O said if you like your doctor you can keep it.


Insurance rates have increased by double-digits with Obamacare year after year. How soon many forget the double-digit rate increases of 2017:
http://time.com/money/4535394/obamacare-plan-premium-price-increases-2017-states/ 

In CO alone, 2018 insurance rates where expected to increase over 25% back in October, long before any mention of the mandate repeal.
Phil222
8 years ago
Thank you for clearing that up. I guess the moral of the story is that Obama let us down so we shouldn't be upset if Trump does the same? Something to that extent?

You do make a decent enough point about rising healthcare costs though. Even though some of these insurance companies are already making billions in profit, maybe now with these historic tax cuts they can finally afford to cut our rates a bit.

I believe that's how trickle-down economics work, right? Or maybe they're gonna offer us all a job? I forget exactly how it works but I'm sure it's gonna benefit us all somehow... 😎
cacman
8 years ago

I believe that's how trickle-down economics work, right? Or maybe they're gonna offer us all a job? I forget exactly how it works but I'm sure it's gonna benefit us all somehow... 😎

Phil222 wrote:


You're referring to bonuses, pay raises, and companies increasing their minimum pay rate:

AT&T, Comcast, Wells Fargo promise bonuses or pay hikes once tax cut bill passes
https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2017/12/20/handful-companies-promise-bonuses-pay-raises/971199001/ 
Phil222
8 years ago

You're referring to bonuses, pay raises, and companies increasing their minimum pay rate:

AT&T, Comcast, Wells Fargo promise bonuses or pay hikes once tax cut bill passes
https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2017/12/20/handful-companies-promise-bonuses-pay-raises/971199001/ 

cacman wrote:



👍 I had a feeling this would be coming. I guess that's a couple hundred thousand down, a couple hundred million to go, right?

I do appluad them for the effort but wonder how many others will follow suit? I also wonder what percentage these bonuses and raises are of the money they will be gaining from this tax bill? Is it even half a percent? Nonetheless, well done. We should have just given the employees the money to begin with.

By the way, didn't Wells Fargo just defraud the American public out of a couple hundred million dollars? They definately deserved this tax cut...same for Wall Street and all of the other companies we bailed out not long ago...have they paid that back yet? I'm not sure.

How come when the government takes money from us it's called theft, but when the government takes that same money and gives it to corporations its called...what? An investment?
MACS
8 years ago

You a funny guy. I suspect that we will have to pay less taxes going forward because a fair amount of our income is from pass-through from my company and stock dividends. I still don't care for this bill because of the anticipated increase to the national debt. 🌫

Buckwheat wrote:



Why do people focus on taxes to pay down the debt? Why doesn't anyone focus on cutting spending??

Trump/Haley just announced a $285 million cut to the UN contributions. GOOD!!

Now we need to look at other places to save in the SPENDING part of our budget. Better ROI on what we spend... change the way they do gov't/military contracts... there's plenty of fat to be trimmed.
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