dstieger
8 years ago
After nearly any 'mass shooting', we hear a lot about keeping guns from mentally ill....or 'controlling mentally ill'...or something about guns not being a problem, but the mentally challenged are a big part of the problem. It is often tossed out as a retort to calls for gun control of any sort.

And, it makes sense...to a point. Why would anyone want people with mind problems running around with guns?

But any attempt to get my head around "OK...so....do what, exactly?" is met with near immediate migraines. I mean, do we want every shrink to toss names into some national 'NO-GUN' database? What about non-treated nuts? Parents? Neighbors? Should the cop that found you nearly passed out on the boulevard one night ten years ago be able to ban you from guns? For how long? Life? Who here hasn't displayed what someone might considered mentally-challenged-type-behavior at some point? Sure, there's plenty out there that 99% of people would say "Yep! That's a whacko who shouldn't be allowed within 100 yards of a .22." But, sure have a hard time the the entire rest of the spectrum....I don't see how you get to a place that even a large majority might agree to definitions and processes
frankj1
8 years ago
yup.
and to complicate things further, we've had a couple of posts point out that less than 5% of mass shootings wer done by people who would be diagnosed as mentally ill, and that stats in general show diagnosed mentally ill citizens are not more likely to kill than the public at large.
dstieger
8 years ago
gotcha....sorry if its a rehash...some threads, like one of the earlier parkland threads...I up and left without going back...I may have missed some thoughtful discussion....



Riiight.....ROFL....
DrafterX
8 years ago
Why do you hate gun owners..?? 😕
HuckFinn
8 years ago
[quote=dstieger]

But any attempt to get my head around "OK...so....do what, exactly?" is met with near immediate migraines. /quote]

Easy to understand why you avoid "thoughtful discussion".
victor809
8 years ago
More amusingly...
There are threads on this site by people complaining about any negative mental status reports from VA or other medical authorities possibly impacting citizens ability to purchase and own guns.

So.... in practice people aren't fans
frankj1
8 years ago

gotcha....sorry if its a rehash...some threads, like one of the earlier parkland threads...I up and left without going back...I may have missed some thoughtful discussion....



Riiight.....ROFL....

dstieger wrote:


you didn't rehash.
jjanecka
8 years ago
I think we just need to arm every man woman and child with a rifle in this country, teach them how to use it with discipline, and then let God sort it out.
Gene363
8 years ago

More amusingly...
There are threads on this site by people complaining about any negative mental status reports from VA or other medical authorities possibly impacting citizens ability to purchase and own guns.

So.... in practice people aren't fans

victor809 wrote:



What they were proposing was taking away guns from a person that might need help figuring out their checkbook, not just dangerous nutcases, hence the backlash.

There is along track record of antigun people saying one thing and doing another. Only a very few will admit all control measures are just a means to the end, the end of all firearm ownership by anyone other the government. A perfect example are magazine limitations, say ten rounds. So it's OK if you shoot just ten people, but any more, oh no, that's a problem. It's complete BS.
ZRX1200
8 years ago
You're ruining his usual straw man argument.
Gene363
8 years ago

You're ruining his usual straw man argument.

ZRX1200 wrote:



You must start somewhere, otherwise we get burned, as always, by the law of unintended consequences.
victor809
8 years ago
... and z says my argument is a strawman.
You just said that anyone who wants to limit gun ownership by the mentally unfit is only hiding the ultimate goal of trying to keep guns put of the hands of the entire populace.

If you are going to bother disagreeing with the above, your quote was:
"Only a very few will admit that ALL control measures are just a means to an end, the end of all firearm ownership by anyone other than the government"

Your words not mine.

I was just pointing out that policies checking on people's mental health by various institutions were complained about here. Ironically... your response was "they just can't balance their checkbook... but we should totally give them guns"... which is in itself a hilarious argument and something I think should be implemented immediately with joyous results.
SteveS
8 years ago

yup.
and to complicate things further, we've had a couple of posts point out that less than 5% of mass shootings wer done by people who would be diagnosed as mentally ill, and that stats in general show diagnosed mentally ill citizens are not more likely to kill than the public at large.

frankj1 wrote:



I've gotta question the accuracy of that ... whomever provided us with that stat is mis-informed or mistaken ...
Abrignac
8 years ago

... and z says my argument is a strawman.
You just said that anyone who wants to limit gun ownership by the mentally unfit is only hiding the ultimate goal of trying to keep guns put of the hands of the entire populace.

If you are going to bother disagreeing with the above, your quote was:
"Only a very few will admit that ALL control measures are just a means to an end, the end of all firearm ownership by anyone other than the government"

Your words not mine.

I was just pointing out that policies checking on people's mental health by various institutions were complained about here. Ironically... your response was "they just can't balance their checkbook... but we should totally give them guns"... which is in itself a hilarious argument and something I think should be implemented immediately with joyous results.

victor809 wrote:



So you are saying we should prevent people unable to balance their checkbooks from owning firearms. Should we also prevent them from voting?
jjanecka
8 years ago
Probably; I mean letting stupid people vote is what got our rights taken away in the first place.
Gene363
8 years ago
Wow, the democrats are going to be upset. 🍺
victor809
8 years ago
I don't want to prevent anyone from owning a firearm. I'm not saying that in a figurative manner. Literally anyone. Give them their guns back when you release a person from prison or the mental hospital... let's see what happens.

I do think that gun owners who are literally unable to balance their checkbook would make for the most amusing news stories.

My goals are probably different than other peoples goals however.
victor809
8 years ago
Trump has taken rights away already?

I mean... I know he wants to... but I don't think he's been successful yet.
Ewok126
8 years ago
what is a checkbook? Is that one of them lil books you lick and stick them lil green stamps then take to the grocery store to get food?
victor809
8 years ago
A proxy for understanding simple addition and subtraction.
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