There's probably tons of bad ones. The pool of potential top candidates has to be incredibly hollowed out due to compensation. I'm not so sure about your clock, though. I would bet that (good?) teachers spend more time working when not on the clock than most professions. I suspect that they also spend a lot of their 'off' time, especially summers working on education and training, which many jobs make allowance for during clock time. Besides, do they get paid during the summer? IDK, but I doubt it. As to the question of bad teachers, what's your solution, if not better pay?

Its clear that evaluating teachers has been a tremendous challenge for all districts (partly complicated by unions and tenure, of course...what's the incentive to invest in quality evaluation systems when you can't fire them, anyway?)

dstieger wrote:

There's probably tons of bad ones. The pool of potential top candidates has to be incredibly hollowed out due to compensation. I'm not so sure about your clock, though. I would bet that (good?) teachers spend more time working when not on the clock than most professions. I suspect that they also spend a lot of their 'off' time, especially summers working on education and training, which many jobs make allowance for during clock time. Besides, do they get paid during the summer? IDK, but I doubt it. As to the question of bad teachers, what's your solution, if not better pay?

Its clear that evaluating teachers has been a tremendous challenge for all districts (partly complicated by unions and tenure, of course...what's the incentive to invest in quality evaluation systems when you can't fire them, anyway?)

dstieger wrote:

should Wayne have made more money so that good teachers would've made more money?

opelmanta1900 wrote:

Nah....its entirely appropriate that all the Jeffery Paul Joneses should make minimum wage because there's some Skarrets out there

dstieger wrote:

I don't think most teachers are hourly, they're salary... so yes, they get paid for the months they don't work during the summer... and the week at thanksgiving and the two weeks at Christmas and the one to two weeks for spring break... at least in my profession, salary means you're always paid... that's why the plant can call at 2am on a Sunday morning and tell me to get down there...

opelmanta1900 wrote:

close.
salaried, yes. paid for Summer vacation, not exactly. Many teachers opt to have their 10 months of pay spread out over 12 month. My wife did not, but many of her work friends just couldn't deal with budgeting money during the work year to have cash flow in the Summer...not too different than people loving tax returns from the Fed. But locally, teachers salaries are for approximately 40 weeks. I presume it's the same everywhere.

You do know I believe you are very bright, but perhaps when young and uprooted so often you did not get a chance to feel like the "insiders" did in local school systems, no chance to get comfortable? Maybe you expected problems? Cuz when you do expect them, you almost always find them. I sure did.

or maybe some of the seven systems were underfunded?

Or maybe you are correct?

frankj1 wrote:

Been in Az for a month now.

teedubbya wrote: