DrafterX
7 years ago
Didn't this all happen before he was elected..?? 🤔
DrafterX
7 years ago
Where's the abuse of power..?? 🤔
delta1
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7 years ago
if you don't want to even look at the snopes comparison, then what neutral source of facts do you recommend?

then explain why you believe Cohen is going to jail for the felony of campaign finance law violations, the same facts that he said he did at the direction of and in coordination with the President, which puts Trump in legal jeopardy of being charged with the same offense...

and explain why you believe Obama's case was determined to be a civil violation...
DrafterX
7 years ago
Trump woulda paid whether he was a candidate or not.. he was still a public figure trying to protect his reputation... Or so I heard from one of those legal experts you've mentioned... 😟
delta1
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7 years ago
Ten years after the affair?

a few weeks before the election? after the Access Hollywood tape?

coincidence?

and why the constant stream of lies from Trump about this from day one if he did not engage in criminal behavior. Why not just say: here's what I did and why I did it and that isn't a crime?

why get a friend (who has helped Trump for years to "catch and kill" harmful stories that were supposedly going to run in the National Enquirer) to use his company to make a campaign contribution and have his attorney draft up a NDA with phony names and create a phony LLC to receive the money....a lot of ball hiding tending to indicate a consciousness of guilt and a scheme of criminal evasion...
DrafterX
7 years ago
Is it a crime..?? 😕

DrafterX
7 years ago
And to share my perspective.. I do think this has been a witch hunt.. but if they find Trump is actually guilty of somethin so be it... let it play out... At least Hillary isn't our President... 😟
Abrignac
7 years ago

Ten years after the affair?

a few weeks before the election? after the Access Hollywood tape?

coincidence?

and why the constant stream of lies from Trump about this from day one if he did not engage in criminal behavior. Why not just say: here's what I did and why I did it and that isn't a crime?

why get a friend (who has helped Trump for years to "catch and kill" harmful stories that were supposedly going to run in the National Enquirer) to use his company to make a campaign contribution and have his attorney draft up a NDA with phony names and create a phony LLC to receive the money....a lot of ball hiding tending to indicate a consciousness of guilt and a scheme of criminal evasion...

delta1 wrote:




Or an attempt to keep private his affair. To assume subterfuge one must look at an incident through the eyes of the accused to understand that person’s motivation.

Back to the original question: a person was paid private money to keep quiet about a perfectly legal tryst. What’s the BFD? It seems that anyone who would view this as anything other the a pimple on their ass is grasping for the smallest of transgressions from which to score a political point. Again, it this the level of desperation with which we want to govern?

tamapatom
7 years ago
Stormy says it looks like a mushroom.
Abrignac
7 years ago

Stormy says it looks like a mushroom.

tamapatom wrote:



Would Trump use waffle when describing hers?
dstieger
7 years ago
Wonder if she's got a GI Joe kung fu grip
Abrignac
7 years ago

Wonder if she's got a GI Joe kung fu grip

dstieger wrote:


Well played
delta1
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7 years ago
he was running for President...getting hammered in the press about sexually assaultive behavior, then the "Grab their Puzzies" tape was revealed....protect my wife or protect me and my chances for POTUS?

btw: Pecker supports Cohen's statement: Trump was in the meeting when they discussed how to arrange the payments with the intent to influence the election...


OK, if you see one and I see the other...fine...let's see how this all plays out..
frankj1
7 years ago
I just got a subscription to the National Enquirer.

am I too late?
frankj1
7 years ago
I just got a subscription to the National Enquirer.

am I too late?
frankj1
7 years ago
or too often?
Abrignac
7 years ago

he was running for President...getting hammered in the press about sexually assaultive behavior, then the "Grab their Puzzies" tape was revealed....protect my wife or protect me and my chances for POTUS?

btw: Pecker supports Cohen's statement: Trump was in the meeting when they discussed how to arrange the payments with the intent to influence the election...


OK, if you see one and I see the other...fine...let's see how this all plays out..

delta1 wrote:




"Reasonable people can disagree about whether it's wrong to pay hush money to somebody to stop them from disclosing alleged improprieties sexually. Reasonable people can say that's wrong or that's right. It's not illegal," Dershowitz said.

He explained that a presidential candidate could give cash to an individual and explicitly state not only that the payment is to buy their silence about alleged improprieties, but also that it is specifically designed to help their campaign, and that still would not be a crime.

"Whether you think it's wrong or right, I don't understand the case for how it's illegal," Dershowitz said. "If you look at the very, very complicated campaign laws, the one thing that comes out simply is that a candidate may himself or herself contribute as much as they want to a campaign."

He warned against "criminalizing political sins," arguing that blurring the line between "wrong" and "crime" endangers the rule of law.
frankj1
7 years ago
would the source of the money matter?
Abrignac
7 years ago
Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s team on Friday released key documents relating to the FBI’s questioning of former national security adviser Michael Flynn, confirming agents did not believe at the time Flynn intentionally lied to them -- though he was later charged with making false statements in that interview.
victor809
7 years ago
It does matter.
Dershowitz's assertions are based on the assumption that trump makes the payment from his OWN money, AND that he report it as a campaign contribution.

If my memory serves me, Cohen made the payment, and when it first came out he claimed he made it from his own money... Which was odd and no one really believed it. But that claim makes it difficult for trump to now claim he paid her... Especially since I doubt he documented repayment. Additionally, I doubt he filed a campaign contribution regarding it.
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